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Author Topic: Clarity - Father Hesse on Pope Pius XII and Opus Dei  (Read 3000 times)

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Re: Clarity - Father Hesse on Pope Pius XII and Opus Dei
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2023, 09:04:47 AM »
In my continual studies, I have also noticed this.

Not only was Pius XII not exactly ideal, but that, as you say, many traditionalists seem to want to paint him only in the best light.

Does anybody have any good sources on him? Books, articles, etc?

I don't know what to make of PIus XII. Was he simply trying to "play the game," keep his enemies close, and ended up simply getting played himself? Was he just kinda dumb and easily manipulated? Was he just straight up compromised?

On another note, the Palmarians in Spain claim that Roncalli/John XXIII and Montini/Paul VI were actually valid popes. They even claim that Montini was drugged and forcibly manipulated! Given the drama that has been coming out of them, it's hard to take those claims seriously.
It is good to hear that someone else has come across these facts in their research as well...

Another interesting thing I came across recently was that Pacelli while in Germany was the Papal Embassador to Russia...  He had the names of all the secret list of clergy in Russia and somehow the Russians got this information and many good priests and bishops got killed or terribly persecuted because of this.

Re: Clarity - Father Hesse on Pope Pius XII and Opus Dei
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2023, 11:20:32 AM »
It is good to hear that someone else has come across these facts in their research as well...

Another interesting thing I came across recently was that Pacelli while in Germany was the Papal Embassador to Russia...  He had the names of all the secret list of clergy in Russia and somehow the Russians got this information and many good priests and bishops got killed or terribly persecuted because of this.

Well out of charity I suppose I would simply have to believe that he was just kinda dumb/incompetent.


Re: Clarity - Father Hesse on Pope Pius XII and Opus Dei
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2023, 01:47:56 PM »
I attached a pdf of a few pages on PPXII from Who Shall Ascend? that might be of interest, here's a snip.....

"It was during Pope Pius XII’s reign that the first changes were made, whose import cannot be understated, for with these changes came the acceptance of the idea of them, which created the atmosphere for what was to come. Let it suffice to list some of the more noteworthy innovations of those years....."

That excerpt contains the claim that Pope Pius IX was a former freemason, of the 18th degree, in the footnote at the very end.

https://novusordowatch.org/2016/11/pius9-Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ-second-rebuttal-tia/

Some of the masonic sources I glanced over don't even agree on where he was actually initiated into their infernal organization. 

Re: Clarity - Father Hesse on Pope Pius XII and Opus Dei
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2023, 09:44:36 PM »
Well out of charity I suppose I would simply have to believe that he was just kinda dumb/incompetent.
Something is definitely weird about him and his papacy...but it is hard to confirm all of the facts with the mere information we have access to.  I think it would probably take someone with a good knowledge of Latin, Italian and German traveling to find actual docuмents in Europe to find the real truth.

So...  Until then we will just pray for his soul and hope that one day God allows someone to clarify everything if it is for the best interest of the Faithful.

Re: Clarity - Father Hesse on Pope Pius XII and Opus Dei
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2023, 09:46:38 PM »
That excerpt contains the claim that Pope Pius IX was a former freemason, of the 18th degree, in the footnote at the very end.

https://novusordowatch.org/2016/11/pius9-Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ-second-rebuttal-tia/

Some of the masonic sources I glanced over don't even agree on where he was actually initiated into their infernal organization.
I don't think that Pope Pius IX could have been a freemason.  He stood up against them too much and was very hated by them...

And if I remember correctly, Saint Bernadette of Lourdes claimed that one of the primary reasons that Our Lady appeared was to support Pius IX and confirm the decisions and proclamations made by him.