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Offline Meg

Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
« Reply #170 on: December 20, 2022, 10:36:24 AM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on December 20, 2022, 09:07:02 AM
Yes, that's what I thought: doubt.  I never thought, nor wrote, that you were certain they were invalid.

Except that the word "doubt" never entered into your initial posts to Stubborn on the subject. You only resorted to the word "doubt" after I said something. Typical sede duplicity.

I have to hope that because Stubborn is an honest man, that he will not be tempted by SVism. SV tend to believe that the ends justify the means. And those means can be less-than-honest, if the situation warrants. 
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
« Reply #171 on: December 20, 2022, 10:52:31 AM »
Quote from: Meg on December 20, 2022, 10:36:24 AM
Except that the word "doubt" never entered into your initial posts to Stubborn on the subject. You only resorted to the word "doubt" after I said something. Typical sede duplicity.

I have to hope that because Stubborn is an honest man, that he will not be tempted by SVism. SV tend to believe that the ends justify the means. And those means can be less-than-honest, if the situation warrants.
Of course it didn't.  Because I already knew where he stood on the matter.  You were the one who had to make it about sedevacantism...as always. 

Typical Meg blind, rabid, anti-sede rhetoric.  I thought we were starting to get on better, but I see I was wrong.  You're back on ignore.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
« Reply #172 on: December 20, 2022, 10:55:25 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on December 20, 2022, 09:51:49 AM
I'm not sure why you have to keep conflating doubts about the Conciliar Sacraments with sedevacantism, as someone who is not a SV could also doubt the validity of the NOM Sacraments, including that of Holy Orders.  One can make an argument that's completely independent of SVism, based on the Rites themselves.

Now, SVs do hold that a legitimate Catholic hierarchy could not produce doubtful Sacramental Rites, but many R&R do not believe that, so this is no obstacle to their thinking independently about those questions.
Because...it's Meg.  
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
« Reply #173 on: December 20, 2022, 10:56:50 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on December 20, 2022, 09:55:31 AM
I think that most SVs would only hold the NO Rite of Ordination to be doubtful, though not certainly invalid.  But in the practical order it amounts to nearly the same thing different only in that it's permitted to seek doubtful Sacaments in danger of death.  More SVs do hold that the Rite of Episcopal consecration is downright invalid (not just doubtful).
That is my position.  However, as time goes on, the NREC ends up invalidating more and more NO priests.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
« Reply #174 on: December 20, 2022, 11:14:00 AM »
Quote from: Meg on December 20, 2022, 10:36:24 AM
Except that the word "doubt" never entered into your initial posts to Stubborn on the subject. You only resorted to the word "doubt" after I said something. Typical sede duplicity.

I have to hope that because Stubborn is an honest man, that he will not be tempted by SVism. SV tend to believe that the ends justify the means. And those means can be less-than-honest, if the situation warrants.
Nah, sedeism never really tempted me, I mean, I thought about it when I was a lot younger, but if I was going to, I would have gone along with (then) Fr. Sanborn and those who he took with him in the 80s. As it was then it is now - no matter who you are, there is no reason to be the least bit concerned about the status of popes.

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