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Offline Meg

Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
« Reply #160 on: December 20, 2022, 08:24:17 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on December 20, 2022, 08:18:44 AM
I know, and it's crazy to disagree with it LOL

Like Sean and others, you go with +ABL et al who say the NOM is valid - which makes zero sense no matter how you look at it. But such is life.

I've seen NOers who came to our chapel completely lost, had zero clue what was going on. It's as if it is not even worthy to wonder why that is. As for me, I would be just as lost if I went to a NOM - but there's one thing that I would know for certain, that it's not a Catholic Mass. It's too obvious to not know for certain.

I understand. Yes, of course the NO'ers are completely lost and had zero clue as to what was going on. They'd been dumbed down for so long that they didn't know what true Catholic worship looked like. How many non-Catholics have attended your chapel? Probably very few, if any. At least the New Mass is a stepping stone for those who are given the graces to find or attend the TLM. 

Keep in mind too that the sedevacantists will expect you to take the next step toward becoming a sedevacantist - that is, denying that the NO clergy are validly ordained. 
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
« Reply #161 on: December 20, 2022, 08:29:17 AM »
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I understand.  Unfortunately, I'm not sure how it can be completely kept out of this discussion since a NO EM not only validates the NO consecration but the NO cleric. So, it does more than just teach the Real Presence in the NO. It provides yet another reason not to leave and go to the Traditional clergy/mass.
And that is the whole argument in a nutshell. 

It can be kept out of the discussion because the presumption of a NO EM is that it has for it's premise that the EM is not from God because it is an EM of the NO. (not sure why but using initials is kinda funny to me)

I insist NO EMs do not teach NOers the Real Presence but it does provide yet another reason not to leave and go to the Traditional clergy/mass as you said - *that* is the .

The reason NO EMs do not teach the RP in the NO is because the NO has gone to great lengths to be sure to not teach the RP, that goes completely against the eccuмania that the NO teaches and is literally drenched in.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
« Reply #162 on: December 20, 2022, 08:51:16 AM »
Quote from: Meg on December 20, 2022, 08:24:17 AM
I understand. Yes, of course the NO'ers are completely lost and had zero clue as to what was going on. They'd been dumbed down for so long that they didn't know what true Catholic worship looked like. How many non-Catholics have attended your chapel? Probably very few, if any. At least the New Mass is a stepping stone for those who are given the graces to find or attend the TLM.

Keep in mind too that the sedevacantists will expect you to take the next step toward becoming a sedevacantist - that is, denying that the NO clergy are validly ordained.
My post was not expecting anything of Stubborn.  Besides, I thought that he already questioned their validity based on discussions he and I have had over the years.  
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Offline Meg

Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
« Reply #163 on: December 20, 2022, 08:52:25 AM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on December 20, 2022, 08:51:16 AM
My post was not expecting anything of Stubborn.  Besides, I thought that he already questioned their validity based on discussions he and I have had over the years. 

Yeah....right. If you say so. 
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
« Reply #164 on: December 20, 2022, 08:56:08 AM »
Quote from: Meg on December 20, 2022, 08:52:25 AM
Yeah....right. If you say so.
I'll let Stubborn explain his position on the NO clergy.  I'm fairly certain that he questions their validity.  He didn't seem to have an issue with my bringing it up.  Only you did.
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