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Offline Kephapaulos

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Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
« on: December 16, 2022, 12:27:56 AM »
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    • What should we make of claimed Eucharistic miracles after Vatican II that happen at the Novus Ordo Missae?
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    Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #1 on: December 16, 2022, 04:27:07 AM »
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    Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #2 on: December 16, 2022, 05:23:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Kephapaulos on December 16, 2022, 12:27:56 AM
    What should we make of claimed Eucharistic miracles after Vatican II that happen at the Novus Ordo Missae?

    Tell God that you feel threatened if He should help those people, and therefore you won’t accept it, and He’ll just have to find room at the inn somewhere else?
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    Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #3 on: December 16, 2022, 06:47:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 16, 2022, 05:23:51 AM
    Tell God that you feel threatened if He should help those people, and therefore you won’t accept it, and He’ll just have to find room at the inn somewhere else?
    :laugh1: :laugh2:
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    Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #4 on: December 16, 2022, 06:55:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Kephapaulos on December 16, 2022, 12:27:56 AM
    What should we make of claimed Eucharistic miracles after Vatican II that happen at the Novus Ordo Missae?
    Why do you ask Kephapaulos?
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    Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #5 on: December 16, 2022, 07:10:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 16, 2022, 05:23:51 AM
    Tell God that you feel threatened if He should help those people, and therefore you won’t accept it, and He’ll just have to find room at the inn somewhere else?

    Ps: You need to give God rules, and lay out clearly what you will and won’t allow Him to do (And don’t take any back talk either!  If God starts talking about how a “Catholic rite” is simply one “approved and received” for use in the Church by the pope blah blah, tell Him if He persists, you’ll have to send Him away for being dangerous to your “faith.”).
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    Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #6 on: December 16, 2022, 07:18:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 16, 2022, 07:10:33 AM
    You need to give God rules, and lay out clearly what you will and won’t allow Him to do (And don’t take any back talk either!  If God starts talking about how a “Catholic rite” is simply one “approved and received” for use in the Church by the pope blah blah, tell Him if He persists, you’ll have to send Him away for being dangerous to your “faith.”).
    You're just being ridiculous. If you think the NO is a Catholic Rite, you're wrong, NO miracles do not change that and should stop going to the NO.  Oh wait, you go to SSPX for some reason - what is that reason?
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    Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #7 on: December 16, 2022, 07:25:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on December 16, 2022, 07:18:10 AM
    You're just being ridiculous. If you think the NO is a Catholic Rite, you're wrong, NO miracles do not change that and should stop going to the NO.  Oh wait, you go to SSPX for some reason - what is that reason?
    Did you mean "start"?
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    Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #8 on: December 16, 2022, 07:42:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on December 16, 2022, 07:25:00 AM
    Did you mean "start"?
    No, I would never tell him, or anyone to start going there. It just seems Sean is "all in" on NO miracles and considers them to be from God, presumably so as to be somehow fruitful for those few misguided old people who continue to choose to go there.
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    Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #9 on: December 16, 2022, 07:47:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on December 16, 2022, 07:42:24 AM
    No, I would never tell him, or anyone to start going there. It just seems Sean is "all in" on NO miracles and considers them to be from God, presumably so as to be somehow fruitful for those few misguided old people who continue to choose to go there.
    I agree that no Trad should go to a NO.  I guess it must be the way you worded your post then because I'm having trouble understanding your meaning when you say "stop going".
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    Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #10 on: December 16, 2022, 07:51:26 AM »
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    • Deep in the Himalayas there is a Buddhist monastery that has a yeti paw (probably my great-great-uncle or something).

    What are we to make of this miracle? :laugh1:
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    Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #11 on: December 16, 2022, 07:59:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on December 16, 2022, 07:47:11 AM
    I agree that no Trad should go to a NO.  I guess it must be the way you worded your post then because I'm having trouble understanding your meaning when you say "stop going".
    Ya, I could have worded it better, but the jist is we do not go to the NO for a reason - my reason is simply to say because it is evil. I don't trust miracles from something evil and do not understand how anyone else who knows it's evil can fully trust them as coming from heaven. It makes no sense to me.

     
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    Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #12 on: December 16, 2022, 08:01:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on December 16, 2022, 07:18:10 AM
    You're just being ridiculous. If you think the NO is a Catholic Rite, you're wrong, NO miracles do not change that and should stop going to the NO.  Oh wait, you go to SSPX for some reason - what is that reason?

    You clearly don’t understand what is meant by the term “Catholic rite,” which is nothing more that worship approved for use in the Church.

    Look it up in the CE.

    You seem to want to give it an additional, broader, more qualitative meaning.

    Your first error leads to a second one: That those who accept the NOM as Catholic are in contradiction if they object to the NOM (when in reality, a proper understanding of the term “Catholic rite” doesn’t hinder us in the least from accepting, for example, all the objections in the Ottaviani Intervention).

    Here’s the proof that you (and others) have not properly understood the term “Catholic rite:”

    In Apologia Pro Marcel Lefebvre, Michael Davies quotes Lefebvre as acknowledging -in 1980- that one can satisfy their Sunday obligation at the NOM. 

    But that’s impossible, if the NOM isn’t a Catholic rite, properly understood.

    So either Lefebvre didn’t know what a Catholic rite was, or you are wrong.

    Which do you find more likely?
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    Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #13 on: December 16, 2022, 08:02:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on December 16, 2022, 07:51:26 AM
    Deep in the Himalayas there is a Buddhist monastery that has a yeti paw (probably my great-great-uncle or something).

    What are we to make of this miracle? :laugh1:
    See, there you have it, Yeti is going around promoting miracles from Buddha. :facepalm:
    LOL
    Kidding of course.
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    Re: Claimed Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #14 on: December 16, 2022, 08:05:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 16, 2022, 08:01:00 AM
    You clearly don’t understand what is meant by the term “Catholic rite,” which is nothing more that worship approved for use in the Church.

    Look it up in the CE.......
    I have no need to look up the term because from a very young age I witnessed what going to the NOM has done to the faith of those who go there - and that it's only gotten progressively worse ever since. That's all anyone needs to know.
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