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Author Topic: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"  (Read 4236 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2023, 05:28:17 PM »
Can you believe the audacity of these heretics (below)?  They claim that Greek Orthdox have valid confessions because they're a "separate Church", whereas SSPX were not valid ... until Jorge gave them jurisdiction.

https://www.catholic.com/qa/why-sspx-confessions-were-not-valid

Un-****-ing believable, that the Orthodox have jurisdiction because (?) somehow their Canon Law gives it to them?

Every time I think that some of these guys are of good will, I read something like this.  I think that the Dimonds are probably right about these being bad-willed heretics.

I have the solution.  SSPX should deny the Primacy of Peter, form a separate Church, write their own Canon Law, promulgate a few heresies here or there, and then they'll be acknowledged by the Concliarists as a "True Church of Christ", permitted to have intercommunion with them, etc.

Think about this for a second.  If Bishop Kirill said that he believed in the Primarcy of Peter, accepted all the defined dogmas of the Church, etc. ... the Novus Ordo would welcome them back into the Church, even if they were to ignore Vatican II, and kept their own Orthdoox Liturgy, etc. (Novus Ordites would insist that they keep their Liturgy and not adopt the NOM).  So maybe the long-term solution is for SSPX to form the "Latin Rite Apostolic Church" or some such nonsense, and they'd be fully embraced by the NO.

Re: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2023, 05:29:52 PM »
Do they even know the difference between valid and illicit?


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2023, 05:35:11 PM »
Do they even know the difference between valid and illicit?

In the case of Confession, normally, illicit Confessions would also be invalid, as jurisdiction is tied to its validity.

Re: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2023, 05:39:18 PM »
In the case of Confession, normally, illicit Confessions would also be invalid, as jurisdiction is tied to its validity.
So, even in normal times, a confession is invalid if one goes to a priest outside of his jurisdiction??

And what about going to an Orthodox priest in danger of death, etc?

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2023, 05:51:12 PM »
So, even in normal times, a confession is invalid if one goes to a priest outside of his jurisdiction??

And what about going to an Orthodox priest in danger of death, etc?

Yes, in normal times, if a priest from, say, the Cleveland Diocese were in Chicago, say visiting family or on vacation, vs. say by invitation of the bishop of Chicago specifically to help out, outside of his own bishop's territory, he wouldn't be able to help out with Confessions until he went to the Chancery and obtained the necessary jurisdiction from the Bishop of Chicago.  This is, BTW, where "common error" fits in.  Let's say this priest didn't know this and just sat in the Confessional in a church in Chicago, and the faithful rightly just assumed he had the necessary jurisdiction, they start lining up and going to Confession, those Confessions would be valid due to the dispensation of the Church.  If found out, I'm sure the priest would be reprimanded and required to do some refresher studies.  "Common Error" is not, as the SSPX have long spun it, a reference to widespread doctrinal error, just as "Faith is greater than obedience" refers to obedience to positive commands, and not to the teaching authority of the Church, the Magisterium.

Of course, with emergencies, i.e. danger of death, any valid priest, Orthodox, schismatic, even laicized, would be able to validly hear the Confession due to the fact that the Church not only gives them the jurisdiction for that act, but even commands them to do so, for the good fo the faithful.  St. Pius X permitted Catholics in Orthodox territories to receive the Sacraments, including Confession, from the schismatics ... and by that act he effectively gave the Orthodox the necessary jurisdiction, for those acts only, to hear the Confessions.

So the mind of the Church is always toward the souls of the faithful, and that is why it's said that the Supreme Law is the Salvation of Souls.  Unless we're hallucinating, and all is right with the Conciliar Church, and there's on Crisis whatsoever, where there's "nothing to see here, move along", the Church supplies jurisdiction to Traditional Catholic priests for valid Confessions.