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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2023, 12:46:15 PM »
Quote from: OABrownson1876 on February 03, 2023, 11:49:31 AM
A priest who was ordained in '43 told me the story of John Floersch, Abp. of Louisville (d.1968) .  The Jesuits wanted permission to hear confessions in Louisville and Floersch replied, "Absolutely not, the Jesuits do not have permission to here confessions in my diocese."  Kaboom! 

Good for him.  :laugh1:  I disagree with the lifting of the suppression of the Jesuits.  More damage has been done by Jesuits than by all the other religious orders combined ... with all due respect to St. Ignatius.  There were also some amazing saints among the Jesuits, St. Ignatius, St. Francis Xavier, St. Robert Bellarmine, the North American martyrs.  But for every one of these, there were 1000 Jesuits causing trouble.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2023, 12:48:10 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on February 03, 2023, 11:35:23 AM
Yes, he's sede. But still wrong about this. R&R can be schismatic, but to say confessions are invalid due to this is unfounded. He has yet to defend it with a proper citation to a Church authority.

He's got nothing.  If he asked Bergoglio, Jorge would say the confessions are valid, due to his great mercifulness and humility, and it's the intention of the "Pope" that determines jurisdiction and nothing else.

But how about the gall of catholic.com in asserting that Orthodox confessions are perfectly valid, while SSPX ones were not (until Jorge said they were) ... because the Orthodox are a Church unto themselves.  That's shameless heresy.

So the solution is that the SSPX should start their own "Church" and reject the Primacy of Peter and a couple other dogmas, like infallibility, and then catholic.com would say they had valid confessions by their criteria.  Ridiculous.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2023, 01:11:31 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 03, 2023, 12:44:17 PM
Even if he did know it, the confessions would be valid.  That was an extraneous detail.  Common Error would be on the part of the faithful who assumed the priest had the faculties when he went into the confessional and started hearing their confessions.
Then I don't understand your original comment:

In the case of Confession, normally, illicit Confessions would also be invalid, as jurisdiction is tied to its validity.

When are confessions invalid then?
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2023, 03:38:23 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on February 03, 2023, 01:11:31 PM
Then I don't understand your original comment:

In the case of Confession, normally, illicit Confessions would also be invalid, as jurisdiction is tied to its validity.

When are confessions invalid then?
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Every time a priest gives absolution without jurisdiction or a supply of it.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2023, 04:14:21 PM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan on February 03, 2023, 03:38:23 PM
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Every time a priest gives absolution without jurisdiction or a supply of it.
But the example Ladislaus gave was that it would be valid. 

And, again, if this is the case, a Catholic is not absolved despite going to confession.  How does this help him/her to save his/her soul? I can see it being "illicit", but not "invalid". 
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