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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2023, 11:29:41 AM »
The person making the argument does not appear to be Novus Ordo, but sede. This is not the usual argument against their jurisdiction (eg for want of faculties granted by Francis), but an argument that the R&R position they hold is schismatic, and therefore they do not have jurisdiction. At least as far as I can tell. 
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2023, 11:35:23 AM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan on February 03, 2023, 11:29:41 AM
The person making the argument does not appear to be Novus Ordo, but sede. This is not the usual argument against their jurisdiction (eg for want of faculties granted by Francis), but an argument that the R&R position they hold is schismatic, and therefore they do not have jurisdiction. At least as far as I can tell.
Yes, he's sede. But still wrong about this. R&R can be schismatic, but to say confessions are invalid due to this is unfounded. He has yet to defend it with a proper citation to a Church authority.
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Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2023, 11:49:31 AM »
A priest who was ordained in '43 told me the story of John Floersch, Abp. of Louisville (d.1968) .  The Jesuits wanted permission to hear confessions in Louisville and Floersch replied, "Absolutely not, the Jesuits do not have permission to here confessions in my diocese."  Kaboom!   
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Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2023, 12:17:00 PM »
My above comment should read "hear" instead of "here."  I feel like a homo stultissimus. 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Claim - "SSPX are in schism, confessions invalid"
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2023, 12:44:17 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on February 03, 2023, 07:55:18 AM
OK, but what if the priest did know this.  Those confessions are invalid and those Catholics did not receive valid absolution?  How is that acting in accordance with the Supreme Law of Salvation of Souls?

Even if he did know it, the confessions would be valid.  That was an extraneous detail.  Common Error would be on the part of the faithful who assumed the priest had the faculties when he went into the confessional and started hearing their confessions.
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