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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: crossbro on December 30, 2013, 12:24:04 PM

Title: Church will start marketing the Eucharist to adulters
Post by: crossbro on December 30, 2013, 12:24:04 PM
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Last week, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith member Cardinal Walter Kasper told the German weekly Die Zeit that the divorced and remarried will soon be able to receive the sacraments, the Italian news site AGI reports.


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MORE TRASH (http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/respond-to-divorced-catholics-with-love-theologians-urge/)

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The Archdiocese of Freiburg in October released a document saying that divorced and remarried Catholics can receive Holy Communion if they can show their first marriage cannot be reentered, if they repent of their fault in a divorce and if they enter “a new moral responsibility” with their new spouse.

 That document drew a swift response from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which said pastoral approaches must agree with Church teaching.
Title: Church will start marketing the Eucharist to adulters
Post by: crossbro on December 30, 2013, 12:26:39 PM
One point here real quick:

You cannot remarry if you have a valid marriage and your spouse still lives.

So Cardinal Kasper's statement is heretical.

If you remarry under those circumstances then the marriage is not valid and so does not exist.
Title: Church will start marketing the Eucharist to adulters
Post by: LoverOfTradition on December 30, 2013, 01:05:10 PM
This man is a Prince of the Church and cannot see he is advocating receiving God in Adultery?

Oh wait, he does see it and doesn't care. This is Apostasy. He needs prayers for his soul.
Title: Church will start marketing the Eucharist to adulters
Post by: crossbro on December 30, 2013, 01:08:25 PM
Quote from: LoverOfTradition
This man is a Prince of the Church and cannot see he is advocating receiving God in Adultery?

Oh wait, he does see it and doesn't care. This is Apostasy. He needs prayers for his soul.


This does not go back to tradition, doctrine, dogma, council, opinion.

This goes back to the Gospel with Jesus as it's source. Jesus instituted the sacrament of marriage.

And Germany is the source of female altar servers and that slippery slope.
Title: Church will start marketing the Eucharist to adulters
Post by: TKGS on December 30, 2013, 01:39:44 PM
OK, folks!  Move along!  There's nothing to see here.

We still have a pope and cardinals and bishops and all.  Everything's going just fine.

Don't worry about the Vatican crossing any "lines in sand" or anything, we can always move the lines when it becomes necessary.  Just remember, whatever you do, don't be a sedevacantist because they are the real problem.
Title: Church will start marketing the Eucharist to adulters
Post by: Capt McQuigg on December 30, 2013, 05:21:25 PM
Everything in the novus ordo church is so muddled and murky with leaders saying contradictory things.  And hidden under the chaos you will find a handful of openly heretical statements by the post-Vatican II popes and their chosen leaders.  

Has the Vatican II church given us a leader who isn't cringe-worthy?  

So far, the leaders are either beyond the shadow of the doub wicked like Cardinal Mahony, Cardinal Bernardin and Archbishop Weakland or outright laughable with contempt like Cardinal Dolan.  Creepy like Cardinal George or Cardinal Wuerl.  

Where are the St. Francis de Sales of the novus ordo?  

I guess someone somewhere in a position of supernatural authority hit the "off" button.  
Title: Church will start marketing the Eucharist to adulters
Post by: Matto on December 30, 2013, 05:23:07 PM
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And hidden under the chaos you will find a handful of openly heretical statements by the post-Vatican II popes and their chosen leaders.


Only a handful? I would say boatloads of heretical statements and actions.
Title: Church will start marketing the Eucharist to adulters
Post by: crossbro on December 30, 2013, 10:33:12 PM
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A further case for the admission of remarried divorcees to the sacraments is argued in terms of mercy.  Given that Jesus himself showed solidarity with the suffering and poured out his merciful love upon them, mercy is said to be a distinctive quality of true discipleship.

This is correct, but it misses the mark when adopted as an argument in the field of sacramental theology.  The entire sacramental economy is a work of divine mercy and it cannot simply be swept aside by an appeal to the same.

An objectively false appeal to mercy also runs the risk of trivializing the image of God, by implying that God cannot do other than forgive.  The mystery of God includes not only his mercy but also his holiness and his justice.

If one were to suppress these characteristics of God and refuse to take sin seriously, ultimately it would not even be possible to bring God’s mercy to man.

Jesus encountered the adulteress with great compassion, but he said to her “Go and do not sin again” (Jn 8:11).  God’s mercy does not dispense us from following his commandments or the rules of the Church.

Rather it supplies us with the grace and strength needed to fulfill them, to pick ourselves up after a fall, and to live life in its fullness according to the image of our heavenly Father.
-Archbishop Gerhard Muller



LINK:
A BISHOP RESPONDS (http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/is-pope-francis-going-to-let-the-divorced-and-remarried-receive-communion)
Title: Church will start marketing the Eucharist to adulters
Post by: Cantarella on December 30, 2013, 10:38:44 PM
Quote from: Matto


Only a handful? I would say boatloads of heretical statements and actions.


True
Title: Church will start marketing the Eucharist to adulters
Post by: poche on December 31, 2013, 12:09:13 AM
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Last week, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith member Cardinal Walter Kasper told the German weekly Die Zeit that the divorced and remarried will soon be able to receive the sacraments, the Italian news site AGI reports.


LINK:
MORE TRASH (http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/respond-to-divorced-catholics-with-love-theologians-urge/)

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The Archdiocese of Freiburg in October released a document saying that divorced and remarried Catholics can receive Holy Communion if they can show their first marriage cannot be reentered, if they repent of their fault in a divorce and if they enter “a new moral responsibility” with their new spouse.

 That document drew a swift response from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which said pastoral approaches must agree with Church teaching.

This contradicts what the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith actually did say.
Title: Church will start marketing the Eucharist to adulters
Post by: crossbro on December 31, 2013, 12:11:27 AM
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Last week, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith member Cardinal Walter Kasper told the German weekly Die Zeit that the divorced and remarried will soon be able to receive the sacraments, the Italian news site AGI reports.


LINK:
MORE TRASH (http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/respond-to-divorced-catholics-with-love-theologians-urge/)

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The Archdiocese of Freiburg in October released a document saying that divorced and remarried Catholics can receive Holy Communion if they can show their first marriage cannot be reentered, if they repent of their fault in a divorce and if they enter “a new moral responsibility” with their new spouse.

 That document drew a swift response from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which said pastoral approaches must agree with Church teaching.

This contrdicts what the congregation fo rthe Doctrine of the Faith actually did say.


Take it up with Kasper,
Title: Church will start marketing the Eucharist to adulters
Post by: poche on December 31, 2013, 02:31:25 AM
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Last week, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith member Cardinal Walter Kasper told the German weekly Die Zeit that the divorced and remarried will soon be able to receive the sacraments, the Italian news site AGI reports.


LINK:
MORE TRASH (http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/respond-to-divorced-catholics-with-love-theologians-urge/)

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The Archdiocese of Freiburg in October released a document saying that divorced and remarried Catholics can receive Holy Communion if they can show their first marriage cannot be reentered, if they repent of their fault in a divorce and if they enter “a new moral responsibility” with their new spouse.

 That document drew a swift response from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which said pastoral approaches must agree with Church teaching.

This contrdicts what the congregation fo rthe Doctrine of the Faith actually did say.


Take it up with Kasper,

Maybe Mueller should take it up with Kasper