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Offline Matthew

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Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2023, 12:26:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy on May 26, 2023, 08:56:58 AM
    Since when in Catholic Church history did ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs teach about morals, Jєωιѕн women teach about faith, divorced teach about marriage, and Protestants teach about the papacy?

    Why do Catholics give these wolves in sheep's clothing a platform at all?

    Sometimes I just want to go start my own video blog, since there OBVIOUSLY is a demand. People are obviously desperate. The equivalent of digging in the dumpster of a fast food restaurant you're so hungry. I might not have gourmet food to offer (to continue the analogy), but at least my food didn't come from the trash can!
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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #16 on: May 26, 2023, 01:15:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on May 26, 2023, 12:26:52 PM
    Sometimes I just want to go start my own video blog, since there OBVIOUSLY is a demand. People are obviously desperate. The equivalent of digging in the dumpster of a fast food restaurant you're so hungry. I might not have gourmet food to offer (to continue the analogy), but at least my food didn't come from the trash can!
    Thou certainly hath the technology and the theological acuмen to undertake the endeavour. Ask the Holy Ghost if this would be a kosher undertaking. Seriously though, divine assistance always worth approaching it is.
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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #17 on: May 27, 2023, 12:00:27 PM »
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    Ladislas: I'm not trying to minimize the crimes of Fr. Maillard, nor those of the SSPX in covering them up, though I am less familiar with the details of this one (in terms of SSPX coverup) than I am with the cases of Fathers Abbet and Groche.  I have called for Bishop Fellay to be arrested for the cases where he transferred a credibly-accused priest (in some cases, such as Fathers Abbet and Groche, basically proven) ... and then said priest proceeded to abuse other victims.  Bishop Fellay should be considered an accessory to those subsequent crimes.



    Let's get back to the topic.
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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #18 on: May 27, 2023, 07:40:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on May 26, 2023, 12:26:52 PM
    Sometimes I just want to go start my own video blog, since there OBVIOUSLY is a demand. People are obviously desperate. The equivalent of digging in the dumpster of a fast food restaurant you're so hungry. I might not have gourmet food to offer (to continue the analogy), but at least my food didn't come from the trash can!
    People don't want to read (and probs don't have the time or understanding) books on moral theology. Frankly there are no well known good Catholic youtubers on this subject. Most youtubers are from compromised groups that follow post v2 theology... or they don't know and understand enough to teach it properly without causing scandal.
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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #19 on: May 28, 2023, 11:14:52 PM »
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    • Would any of you CI members attend a Mass celebrated by Fr. Peignot, if you were aware of his past?
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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #20 on: May 29, 2023, 01:21:42 PM »
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    • Has the cat gotten the tongue of several CI members?  I merely asked: Would you attend a Mass celebrated by Fr. Peignot?  I note with some satisfaction that this topic has gotten 1938 views, second only to a topic which has gone on for 22 pgs.  An old topic, in other words. So while members may be bit closed-mouthed at my question, they appear to have a grear interest in the matter at the same time.  Interesting. 
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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #21 on: May 29, 2023, 01:46:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on May 29, 2023, 01:21:42 PM
    I merely asked: Would you attend a Mass celebrated by Fr. Peignot? 

    Hell no.

    Unfortunately, Peignot still runs an independent chapel in France, and when I complained to one of his faithful (a few years ago), she responded that the TV expose on him was all lies.

    Stupidity of that magnitude can only be deliberate, since the docuмentation/evidence provided in that same expose was unassailable.

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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #22 on: May 29, 2023, 08:35:18 PM »
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    SJ:Hell no.

    Unfortunately, Peignot still runs an independent chapel in France, and when I complained to one of his faithful (a few years ago), she responded that the TV expose on him was all lies.
    Then, Sean, maybe you're the one who can supply the info I've been after for about a week.  C. Niles wrote that Fr. Peignot went over to Bb Williamson after the former was kicked out of SSPX in 2013. I assume she meant that the Resistance had taken him in. Was that true?  And is that "independent chapel" part of H.E.'s Resistance movement?  Thanks.

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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #23 on: May 29, 2023, 09:20:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on May 29, 2023, 08:35:18 PM
    Then, Sean, maybe you're the one who can supply the info I've been after for about a week.  C. Niles wrote that Fr. Peignot went over to Bb Williamson after the former was kicked out of SSPX in 2013. I assume she meant that the Resistance had taken him in. Was that true?  And is that "independent chapel" part of H.E.'s Resistance movement?  Thanks.

    She mixed up her pedophiles:

    +Williamson took in Fr. Abraham, not Peignot.

    I’m not aware of any collaboration between +Williamson and Peignot, although the latter did insinuate himself into a couple Resistance venues (eg., showing up at events and unannounced where Resistance was gathered, like ordinations, so as to have himself pictured among them, to imply he was one of the guys). 

    But so far as I know, he just has his independent chapel in France.
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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #24 on: May 30, 2023, 10:10:50 AM »
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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #25 on: May 30, 2023, 11:02:47 AM »
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    She mixed up her pedophiles:

    +Williamson took in Fr. Abraham, not Peignot.

    I’m not aware of any collaboration between +Williamson and Peignot, although the latter did insinuate himself into a couple Resistance venues
    Yes, Sean, you've probably got that right.  Ms. Niles, as careful a reporter as she seems to be, made a mistake.  There are so many pedo priests to sort out, and a lot of them have difficult French names.  I emailed Niles about it.  She has been responsive to my inquiries in the past.  But she remains mum on this one.
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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #26 on: May 30, 2023, 03:00:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on May 30, 2023, 11:02:47 AM
    Yes, Sean, you've probably got that right.  Ms. Niles, as careful a reporter as she seems to be, made a mistake.  There are so many pedo priests to sort out, and a lot of them have difficult French names.  I emailed Niles about it.  She has been responsive to my inquiries in the past.  But she remains mum on this one.

    You mention above that Christine Niles is remaining mum about the mistake she made, of which you wrote to her and informed her about. Have you ever pointed out any mistakes of hers before now?
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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #27 on: May 30, 2023, 05:16:00 PM »
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    You mention above that Christine Niles is remaining mum about the mistake she made, of which you wrote to her and informed her about. Have you ever pointed out any mistakes of hers before now?
    No, I have not.  Christine may think that she hasn't made a mistake.  She wrote that Peignot had gone over to +W after his dismissal from SSPX.  But it appears pretty obvious now that he was never a priest operating under the auspices of +W or the "Resistance."  He runs an independent chapel in the southwest of France.
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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #28 on: May 30, 2023, 06:34:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on May 28, 2023, 11:14:52 PM
    Would any of you CI members attend a Mass celebrated by Fr. Peignot, if you were aware of his past?

    Ordinarily not ... except in a dire situation and being in need of the Sacraments, and if the law and the Church refused to take action.  Mass is the Mass regardless of the unworthiness of the priest who offers it.  But, unless I were starved of the Sacraments and in dire need, I would not attend a Mass he offered.
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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #29 on: May 30, 2023, 07:45:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on May 30, 2023, 11:02:47 AM
    Ms. Niles, as careful a reporter as she seems to be, made a mistake.

    I'd disagree with this characterization.  I think she's very sloppy ... and the sloppiness comes from her agenda, where she wants to make certain findings ahead of time and can't remain objective.
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