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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: hollingsworth on May 23, 2023, 06:38:13 PM
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It looks like CM is doubling down on SSPX scandals. Voris puts the pedal to the metal in his latest Vortex.
I expect a number of Voris-bad posts to follow.
Enormous Evil Found in the SSPX, Again | The Vortex (churchmilitant.com) (https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/vort-enormous-evil-found-in-the-sspx-again)
My last Fr. Maillard news got few responses, although the number of vews of that topic remain high, competing well with all the other views of recent topics. According to Voris, Maillard wasn't even arrested until CM filed a report on him a few days earlier.
BTW, did 42 million dollars for the new cathedral at St. Mary's KS come from simple donations from faithful SSPX parishioners in the US? Somehow, I doubt it.
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That was a pathetically childish rant. Voris doesn't look good, BTW, as in having a somewhat perverse-looking countenance.
He spent 10x more time on attacking SSPX as "schismatic" than on the actual pedophilia case that he used as a pretext for his rant.
His contempt for Tradition is palpable, and Voris is due for a massive fall ... if he hasn't already had one.
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That was a pathetically childish rant. Voris doesn't look good, BTW, as in having a somewhat perverse-looking countenance.
He spent 10x more time on attacking SSPX as "schismatic" than on the actual pedophilia case that he used as a pretext for his rant.
His contempt for Tradition is palpable, and Voris is due for a massive fall ... if he hasn't already had one.
So this is really about Voris and his "perverse-looking countenance." It's about Voris' alleged contempt for Tradition and all that.
So Fr. Maillard is basically a side issue. I wonder if the parents, relatives and friends of 27 abused young men and boys would feel the same way. I rather doubt it. They are probably thinking that justice is finally about to be done after 25 years plus.
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So this is really about Voris and his "perverse-looking countenance." It's about Voris' alleged contempt for Tradition and all that.
So Fr. Maillard is basically a side issue. I wonder if the parents, relatives and friends of 27 abused young men and boys would feel the same way. I rather doubt it. They are probably thinking that justice is finally about to be done after 25 years plus.
So many things to discuss, besides the suffering of the poor victims.
Look over there---squirrel!
Sigh, God bless you Hollingsworth for calling the scoundrels to account
despite the constant deflection and persecution.
:pray::incense:
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So Fr. Maillard is basically a side issue.
For Voris, it absolutely was. He spent at least 2/3 of the video attacking Traditional Catholics in general, and mentioned the Maillard case only a handful of times, almost in passing. What I've long alleged was made absolutely clear in this video. On one level, Voris is quite pleased that Maillaird abused those children, since it gave him something with which to attack Traditional Catholics. Don't be such a dimwit. You use an effeminate appeal to the tragedy of Maillard's abuse to justify the substance of his attack. You're incapable of separating the two things going on this video. It's very similar to how jury's often wrongfully convict innocent people simply because the crimes committed were so heinous. One must distinguish between the crimes and the unrelated fact of whether or not the individual on trial actually committed them. But their emotions conflate the two, leading to wrongful convictions. You're doing the same thing here. I think you need to put down the Valtorta.
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ladislas: One must distinguish between the crimes and the unrelated fact of whether or not the individual on trial actually committed them
In the case of Fr. Maillard, there is no doubt that he committed these crimes. His own apostolate determined that he had, and took him out of circulation.
Meanwhile, Lad, I'll try not to be "such a dimwit," if you will promise to do the same.
God bless!
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In the case of Fr. Maillard, there is no doubt that he committed these crimes. His own apostolate determined that he had, and took him out of circulation.
Meanwhile, Lad, I'll try not to be "such a dimwit," if you will promise to do the same.
God bless!
I'm not trying to minimize the crimes of Fr. Maillard, nor those of the SSPX in covering them up, though I am less familiar with the details of this one (in terms of SSPX coverup) than I am with the cases of Fathers Abbet and Groche. I have called for Bishop Fellay to be arrested for the cases where he transferred a credibly-accused priest (in some cases, such as Fathers Abbet and Groche, basically proven) ... and then said priest proceeded to abuse other victims. Bishop Fellay should be considered an accessory to those subsequent crimes.
At the same, time Voris' contempt for Traditional Catholicism is palpable in that last rant. He spent far more time ranting about schism, and the hubris of thinking that the Tridentine Mass is better than the NOM, etc. than he did on the Fr. Maillard case. In fact, the only thing I came away with from that video was that Maillard abused 27 children, and know little about how the SSPX mishandled the situation. He was practically frothing at the mouth about Traditional Catholicism. At one point, he derided the fact that the DEFENSE attorneys asked for the legal proceedings to be sealed, because they dealt with minors. That's absolutely understandable. In fact, I made that criticism about how they doxed the poor young girl who was victimized by Fr. Stafki. I posted a comment on their website that they simply deleted. One of the crimes Fr. Stafki was accused of was using electronic media to graphically describe sɛҳuąƖ acts with a minor. But that's exactly what CM was going in their nearly-pornographic description of Fr. Stafki's activities. Unfortunately, however, they didn't stop for one second to consider the humiliation and psychological harm they could do to the victim. That tells me that they're not concerned primarily about the victim, but are motivated by other agendas ... doing damage to SSPX, getting clicks / views / revenue, etc. Imagine being that girl now. Even though she's the victim, she's also a child and she probably can't walk into a church anymore without shame in realizing that everyone in there knows every sordid detail of what happened to her.
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MP: Sigh, God bless you Hollingsworth for calling the scoundrels to account
despite the constant deflection and persecution.
Thank you, MP. Is is not often that a CI member has called down a blessing on me from God.
I think the word "scoundrels" aptly applies in the matter. We are dealing with clerical scoundrels, including the pedophile SSPX priests among them. It is a very sad situation.
I call your attention and others' to an article from 2020 about Fr. Philippe Peignot. Please tell me where Niles goes wrong in her reporting, or how she may have stepped over the line. It is absolutely amazing, IMHO, that this priest should still be wearing the Roman collar. His predations go back to 1978, at least. He was originally ordained in SSPX while ABL was still very much alive. Read how SSPX hierarchs throw one another under the bus. It makes no sense to me at all.
SSPX Gave Pedophile Repeated Access to Boys (churchmilitant.com) (https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/sspx-gave-pedophile-access-to-boys)
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That was a pathetically childish rant. Voris doesn't look good, BTW, as in having a somewhat perverse-looking countenance.
He spent 10x more time on attacking SSPX as "schismatic" than on the actual pedophilia case that he used as a pretext for his rant.
His contempt for Tradition is palpable, and Voris is due for a massive fall ... if he hasn't already had one.
I agree with you Ladislaus. His HATRED for the SSPX is now becoming evident in his looks. As a comment said, even among the Apostles chosen by Christ there was a rotten egg, but you cannot spread such hatred on to the other eleven.
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One child abused by any priest is one too many. Recently, in one diocese over a couple thousand children sɛҳuąƖly abused by 400 priests or religious brothers. That’s insane. Many priests in Sspx are sodomites too. Silence when it comes to sodomite drag queens dressing like nuns mocking our Catholic Faith at Dodgers baseball game. Pride nite anywhere shouldn’t exist.
Per Michael Davies booklet, it’s been Catholic bishops leading the way to mortal sin all these years. Im telling you that the peaceful rosary rallies should be outside bishops offices and residences because for years it’s been the sources of all the evil in the worlds. We don’t have a pope, we haven’t had a pope for many years. we have a tool of the Luciferian unholy United Nations of satan.
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One child abused by any priest is one too many.
Yes, we all get this. But we have to distinguish between the evil crime itself and Voris' agenda, and his contempt for Traditional Catholicism. When they doxed Father Stafki's victim and produced a borderline-pornographic account of what transpired, they tipped their hand that they're not primarily concerned about the victims, but rather about their contempt for Traditional Catholicism. In this last video from Voris, he didn't spend 10% of his rant on the crimes of Fr. Maillard or the alleged SSPX coverup (about which I know very little after watching the video). He spent most of the video ranting against Traditional Catholicism and the hubris of thinking that the Tridentine Mass is better than the NOM.
They deliberately play these games of psychological association, trying to pain those who object to ANYTHING that Voris says or does in the context of one of these videos as "condoning pederasty". It's like various accusers who claim "victim shaming" if someone doesn't believe every detail of their allegations, or those who play the race card by claiming racism if you have anything bad to say about a given Jєω or "Person of Color". We have to be aware of these manipulation tactics and resist them.
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Since when in Catholic Church history did ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs teach about morals, Jєωιѕн women teach about faith, divorced teach about marriage, and Protestants teach about the papacy?
Why do Catholics give these wolves in sheep's clothing a platform at all?
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Since when in Catholic Church history did ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs teach about morals, Jєωιѕн women teach about faith, divorced teach about marriage, and Protestants teach about the papacy?
Why do Catholics give these wolves in sheep's clothing a platform at all?
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Yes, this is common sense. Before Vatican 2, someone as debauched and degenerate as Michael Voris would never have been given a platform to talk about anything of a religious nature. If such a person wanted to repent, he would have been told to devote the rest of his life to a hidden life of prayer and penance.
Maybe that's why Michael Voris hates traditional Catholicism so much, because he knows we don't approve of his shameless promotion of himself (well, most of us don't :facepalm:).
Michael Voris is fake and gαy.
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One child abused by any priest is one too many. Recently, in one diocese over a couple thousand children sɛҳuąƖly abused by 400 priests or religious brothers. That’s insane. Many priests in Sspx are sodomites too. Silence when it comes to sodomite drag queens dressing like nuns mocking our Catholic Faith at Dodgers baseball game. Pride nite anywhere shouldn’t exist.
Per Michael Davies booklet, it’s been Catholic bishops leading the way to mortal sin all these years. Im telling you that the peaceful rosary rallies should be outside bishops offices and residences because for years it’s been the sources of all the evil in the worlds. We don’t have a pope, we haven’t had a pope for many years. we have a tool of the Luciferian unholy United Nations of satan.
The person who thumbed this g down must be a pedophile themselves.
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The person who thumbed this g down must be a pedophile themselves.
:facepalm: ... this is precisely what I was talking about, and the same thing Voris is doing. You also made a statement about sedevacantism that someone may have been objecting to. Not accepting everything in your post is not to be a pedophile or to condone pedophilia. Or maybe the individual just doesn't like you. This is the same tactic Voris uses. I'm going to go on a 30-minute rant against Traditional Catholicism, while mentioning sex abuse for about 2-3 minutes of it. But if you object to my 27 minutes of diatribe against Traditional Catholicism in general, that means you condone pedophilia, right? You don't disagree with Voris' rants in favor of Jorge being the Catholic pope? He would downthumb your post.
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Since when in Catholic Church history did ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs teach about morals, Jєωιѕн women teach about faith, divorced teach about marriage, and Protestants teach about the papacy?
Why do Catholics give these wolves in sheep's clothing a platform at all?
Sometimes I just want to go start my own video blog, since there OBVIOUSLY is a demand. People are obviously desperate. The equivalent of digging in the dumpster of a fast food restaurant you're so hungry. I might not have gourmet food to offer (to continue the analogy), but at least my food didn't come from the trash can!
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Sometimes I just want to go start my own video blog, since there OBVIOUSLY is a demand. People are obviously desperate. The equivalent of digging in the dumpster of a fast food restaurant you're so hungry. I might not have gourmet food to offer (to continue the analogy), but at least my food didn't come from the trash can!
Thou certainly hath the technology and the theological acuмen to undertake the endeavour. Ask the Holy Ghost if this would be a kosher undertaking. Seriously though, divine assistance always worth approaching it is.
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Ladislas: I'm not trying to minimize the crimes of Fr. Maillard, nor those of the SSPX in covering them up, though I am less familiar with the details of this one (in terms of SSPX coverup) than I am with the cases of Fathers Abbet and Groche. I have called for Bishop Fellay to be arrested for the cases where he transferred a credibly-accused priest (in some cases, such as Fathers Abbet and Groche, basically proven) ... and then said priest proceeded to abuse other victims. Bishop Fellay should be considered an accessory to those subsequent crimes.
Let's get back to the topic.
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Sometimes I just want to go start my own video blog, since there OBVIOUSLY is a demand. People are obviously desperate. The equivalent of digging in the dumpster of a fast food restaurant you're so hungry. I might not have gourmet food to offer (to continue the analogy), but at least my food didn't come from the trash can!
People don't want to read (and probs don't have the time or understanding) books on moral theology. Frankly there are no well known good Catholic youtubers on this subject. Most youtubers are from compromised groups that follow post v2 theology... or they don't know and understand enough to teach it properly without causing scandal.
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Would any of you CI members attend a Mass celebrated by Fr. Peignot, if you were aware of his past?
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Has the cat gotten the tongue of several CI members? I merely asked: Would you attend a Mass celebrated by Fr. Peignot? I note with some satisfaction that this topic has gotten 1938 views, second only to a topic which has gone on for 22 pgs. An old topic, in other words. So while members may be bit closed-mouthed at my question, they appear to have a grear interest in the matter at the same time. Interesting.
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I merely asked: Would you attend a Mass celebrated by Fr. Peignot?
Hell no.
Unfortunately, Peignot still runs an independent chapel in France, and when I complained to one of his faithful (a few years ago), she responded that the TV expose on him was all lies.
Stupidity of that magnitude can only be deliberate, since the docuмentation/evidence provided in that same expose was unassailable.
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SJ:Hell no.
Unfortunately, Peignot still runs an independent chapel in France, and when I complained to one of his faithful (a few years ago), she responded that the TV expose on him was all lies.
Then, Sean, maybe you're the one who can supply the info I've been after for about a week. C. Niles wrote that Fr. Peignot went over to Bb Williamson after the former was kicked out of SSPX in 2013. I assume she meant that the Resistance had taken him in. Was that true? And is that "independent chapel" part of H.E.'s Resistance movement? Thanks.
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Then, Sean, maybe you're the one who can supply the info I've been after for about a week. C. Niles wrote that Fr. Peignot went over to Bb Williamson after the former was kicked out of SSPX in 2013. I assume she meant that the Resistance had taken him in. Was that true? And is that "independent chapel" part of H.E.'s Resistance movement? Thanks.
She mixed up her pedophiles:
+Williamson took in Fr. Abraham, not Peignot.
I’m not aware of any collaboration between +Williamson and Peignot, although the latter did insinuate himself into a couple Resistance venues (eg., showing up at events and unannounced where Resistance was gathered, like ordinations, so as to have himself pictured among them, to imply he was one of the guys).
But so far as I know, he just has his independent chapel in France.
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She mixed up her pedophiles:
LOL
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She mixed up her pedophiles:
+Williamson took in Fr. Abraham, not Peignot.
I’m not aware of any collaboration between +Williamson and Peignot, although the latter did insinuate himself into a couple Resistance venues
Yes, Sean, you've probably got that right. Ms. Niles, as careful a reporter as she seems to be, made a mistake. There are so many pedo priests to sort out, and a lot of them have difficult French names. I emailed Niles about it. She has been responsive to my inquiries in the past. But she remains mum on this one.
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Yes, Sean, you've probably got that right. Ms. Niles, as careful a reporter as she seems to be, made a mistake. There are so many pedo priests to sort out, and a lot of them have difficult French names. I emailed Niles about it. She has been responsive to my inquiries in the past. But she remains mum on this one.
You mention above that Christine Niles is remaining mum about the mistake she made, of which you wrote to her and informed her about. Have you ever pointed out any mistakes of hers before now?
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You mention above that Christine Niles is remaining mum about the mistake she made, of which you wrote to her and informed her about. Have you ever pointed out any mistakes of hers before now?
No, I have not. Christine may think that she hasn't made a mistake. She wrote that Peignot had gone over to +W after his dismissal from SSPX. But it appears pretty obvious now that he was never a priest operating under the auspices of +W or the "Resistance." He runs an independent chapel in the southwest of France.
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Would any of you CI members attend a Mass celebrated by Fr. Peignot, if you were aware of his past?
Ordinarily not ... except in a dire situation and being in need of the Sacraments, and if the law and the Church refused to take action. Mass is the Mass regardless of the unworthiness of the priest who offers it. But, unless I were starved of the Sacraments and in dire need, I would not attend a Mass he offered.
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Ms. Niles, as careful a reporter as she seems to be, made a mistake.
I'd disagree with this characterization. I think she's very sloppy ... and the sloppiness comes from her agenda, where she wants to make certain findings ahead of time and can't remain objective.
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I think she's (C. Niles) very sloppy ... and the sloppiness comes from her agenda, where she wants to make certain findings ahead of time and can't remain objective.
Then the choice is between a "very sloppy" reporter, who can not remain "objective," you say, and no reporting at all about Fr. Peignot and other sspx pedo priests. Because I know of no other Catholic news outlet that takes the responsibility of exposing these criminals.
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Hollingsworth,
We all know that the new-sspx has been infiltrated, for the purposes of modernizing the liturgy/doctrine, and to slowly change the laity's view on Tradition/Orthodoxy, so they can join new-rome. Thus, we know the new-sspx (and the old version too) was under constant attack by satan. We also know that such attacks on the Church would be similar to those on the sspx (i.e. weak leadership, scandals, abuses to discredit the priesthood, lying to the faithful, etc). But we also know that the *original* purpose of the sspx, similar to the *true* purpose of the Church is holy, pure and pleasing to God. We also know that there are many, many good priests in the new-sspx who care for souls, who want to work for God, and who have holy intentions. Similar to the Church, which still has many well-intentioned members.
So what are we to do about this apparent contradiction? The Holy and Divine Institution of the Church, the Bride of Christ, (with the old/new sspx (and all of Tradition) being but branches of the main, Apostolic Tree) being dragged through the mud, being scoffed at, being slapped in the face, being crowned with thorns, beaten, bruised, mocked, etc. Just like Her Holy and Divine Author, Christ Himself.
We live in a world full of abusers, takers, liars, purely evil people, with evil intents, especially on children. It's everywhere - in the Church, in the sspx, in protestantism, in public schools, in private schools, at universities, etc. We live in a VERY evil world.
But God's Church will survive, because it is Divine. We should expose evils as much as we can, but prayers/sacrifices are way more effective than investigation/reporting. As St Paul tells us, "12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places." (Eph 6:12)
There's only so much we can do against the devil. God has given him time to rule the world, which is coming to an end. But as Our Lady of Akita told us, he will darn-near rule the entire world through masonic sects, until God, in His wisdom, will have Our Lady step in and save the day. Her Immaculate Heart will triumph, the world will be shocked at the resurrection of the Church, and many will convert because of this miraculous event and they will rejoice in God's glory and in Her power over evil.
But until God decides that it is Our Lady's time for Victory, then He will continue to allow the world to sink deeper and deeper into chaos and destruction. So that Her Victory will be even more magnificent, so that She will gain more praise, so that the greatest number of people will wake up and convert and save their souls. Because it's all about salvation. That is God's true wish for all of us. Earthly peace is only temporary and only possible if we have spiritual peace first.
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Then the choice is between a "very sloppy" reporter, who can not remain "objective," you say, and no reporting at all about Fr. Peignot and other sspx pedo priests. Because I know of no other Catholic news outlet that takes the responsibility of exposing these criminals.
How many Catholics "new outlets" are there anyway? Certainly the SSPX news outlet is not going to expose these things.
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There is a new article up on this case. Including this disturbing allegation.
The priest would offer massages, with oil and soft music, to relax his victims before assaulting them. His modus operandi likely came from his habit of frequenting prostitutes in massage parlors in Cholet.
He would also make his victims watch pornographic videos. One of his favorite sites was "666porn," referencing the number of the beast in the book of Revelation.
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/sspx-horror-trial-superior-knew-kept-predator-in-ministry
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There is a new article up on this case. Including this disturbing allegation.
The priest would offer massages, with oil and soft music, to relax his victims before assaulting them. His modus operandi likely came from his habit of frequenting prostitutes in massage parlors in Cholet.
He would also make his victims watch pornographic videos. One of his favorite sites was "666porn," referencing the number of the beast in the book of Revelation.
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/sspx-horror-trial-superior-knew-kept-predator-in-ministry
Voris and Niles want to share the sordid little details, because they know that their readership/subscribers want to read them. It's creepy.
It's one thing to make known the abuse cases that are going on that have to do with the SSPX, but what Voris and Niles are doing is something else entirely.
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I'm beginning to think more and more that +Fellay is nothing but an infiltrator ... or else he was himself compromised (perhaps by the likes of Krah). It's interesting that he was added to the list of consecrands almost at the last minute due to the intervention of some influential donors to the SSPX. When you look in particular at what he did in the Fr. Abbet case, where he lifted a suspension on Abbet, and then put him in a situation where he could and did perpetrate the same crimes against young boys that he had been accused of earlier. It was almost inevitable. That's where Bishop Fellay should be on trial himself as an accessory or even accomplish in the sɛҳuąƖ abuse of those boys. But, as per the comment I made that CM quoted in a recent article, if your intention was to protect the reputation of the SSPX, HOW STUPID do you have to be not to realize that covering up and shuffling predators around does FAR WORSE damage to the reputation of the SSPX than the crimes themselves? After all, the SSPX can't know about or control every deviant that made his way into the priesthood. They should have learned this lesson from how it had already played out among the Conciliar hierarchy. Had they acted decisively and transparently as soon as the crimes were credibly reported, no one could have faulted them for the behavior of a rogue priest (after all, there is such a thing as free will).
I can't believe that +Fellay is THAT stupid. Ergo, +Fellay is a conscious destroyer, whether an infiltrator out of the gate, or else having been compromised by someone like Krah down the road sometime. This also would go a long way toward explaining his plan to change the theological orientation of the SSPX. I believe that people have tracked down a lot of contradictory before and after statements in this regard, with the line between before and after demarcated by the appearance of Krah on the scene.
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Voris and Niles want to share the sordid little details, because they know that their readership/subscribers want to read them. It's creepy.
It's one thing to make known the abuse cases that are going on that have to do with the SSPX, but what Voris and Niles are doing is something else entirely.
I agree. They do this on purpose because it increases the damage against the SSPX. When I called them out in the comments section of the CM website for putting their agenda ahead of the poor girl who had been victimized by Father Stafki, by doxing her and printing lurid details regarding her abuse in pornographic detail, they deleted my comment. In fact, one of the charges against Stafki was the use of an electronic medium to describe in detail sɛҳuąƖ acts with a child ... and explained to CM that they are guilty of the same thing.
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I agree. They do this on purpose because it increases the damage against the SSPX. When I called them out in the comments section of the CM website for putting their agenda ahead of the poor girl who had been victimized by Father Stafki, by doxing her and printing lurid details regarding her abuse in pornographic detail, they deleted my comment. In fact, one of the charges against Stafki was the use of an electronic medium to describe in detail sɛҳuąƖ acts with a child ... and explained to CM that they are guilty of the same thing.
It's good that you posted your comment about CM being guilty of doing the same thing as Fr. Stafki, in regards to posting pornographic detail, even if the comment was removed. Hopefully, some of their readers saw the comment before it was removed.
As regards your previous post about Bp. Fellay, I very much agree. He moved abusive priests around, which allowed them to abuse again. That's a crime, IMO. He should be removed from the SSPX just for that. Yes, there is a good chance that he is an infiltrator.
I have no problem with a news source providing accurate and well-researched information, without the pornographic details. Or the anti-traditionalist details, which isn't necessary either.
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I'm beginning to think more and more that +Fellay is nothing but an infiltrator ... or else he was himself compromised (perhaps by the likes of Krah). It's interesting that he was added to the list of consecrands almost at the last minute due to the intervention of some influential donors to the SSPX.
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I can't believe that +Fellay is THAT stupid. Ergo, +Fellay is a conscious destroyer, whether an infiltrator out of the gate, or else having been compromised by someone like Krah down the road sometime.
Whether he is an infiltrator or simply naive, I will not say.
But it is interesting that shortly after he became superior general, the Madame Rossiniere/Cornaz nonsense began, which, by appealing to +Fellay's vanity, "prophecied" an historical role for him at the head of the Society: He would lead the SSPX into the Church, legitimizing +Lefebvre's work, Tradition, and converting Rome.
But it would not simply be the SSPX doing this, but a 5th column of Rossiniere's believers within the SSPX called "priest friends." Many of these "priest friends" were later to become major superiors in the SSPX, and of course they were all favorable to a practical accord with modernist Rome (which is why Rossiniere's nonsense appealed to them in the first place).
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Voris and Niles want to share the sordid little details, because they know that their readership/subscribers want to read them. It's creepy.
It's one thing to make known the abuse cases that are going on that have to do with the SSPX, but what Voris and Niles are doing is something else entirely.
Yes, I agree that CM loves to put out sordid details, but they also do so with the Novus Ordo, not only the SSPX.
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Yes, I agree that CM loves to put out sordid details, but they also do so with the Novus Ordo, not only the SSPX.
You're probably right. But I can't find any other current stories about abusers (Novus Ordo or otherwise) on the CM website, except for a story about McCarrick, which I can't read because it requires a premium subscriber membership in order to view.
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Lad:
What does support on CI have to do with whether or not Pegnot was arrested? Perhaps he fled the country, and there was a jurisdiction / extradiction / evidence problem. I honestly don't know, but I doubt that CI's opinion has anything to do with the situation.
Let me rephrase this "support" thing. I said earlier, or I meant to say earlier, that a popular bishop with CI members seems, presently, to support Peignot and his work in southern France. Peignot did not flee the country, and is still ministering very actively there, with firm and devoted backing from his followers. This comes from a most reliable source.
If some thought that I had described this bishop as a part of CI membership, then I hasten to disabuse them of such a notion. So Lad, you're right. CI has nothing to do with Peignot's problem
BTW, to my knowledge, Peignot was never arrested by secular authorities. Then CDF SG, Cdl Ladaria, threw the whole Peignot matter back into the sspx court in 2013 after a written complaint from one of the priest's victims. Ladaria instructed Fellay to conduct a canonical trial of the pedo priest under Society auspices.
In the mean time, Fellay asked Peignot to go off to the Society's "Golden Prison" in the French Alps. Peignot refused. The priest was finally judged guilty by sspx in June 2014. But it wasn't until a year and a half later (2015) that the priest was formally dismissed from the Society. Keep in mind this ended a 33 year relationship of Peignot with SSPX. He had been ordained by sspx in 1982. Fellay & Co. do not let go of their pervert priests easily.
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BTW, did 42 million dollars for the new cathedral at St. Mary's KS come from simple donations from faithful SSPX parishioners in the US? Somehow, I doubt it.
What does St Mary's have to do with this thread? It's not unreasonable if they had 1000 people give on average $100 per week.
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What does St Mary's have to do with this thread? It's not unreasonable if they had 1000 people give on average $100 per week.
Not too many people can afford $100 per week on top of their normal contribution.
That would be about 5 million ($5,000 each times 1,000) for a single year. You'd have to keep that pace up for 10 years.
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BTW, did 42 million dollars for the new cathedral at St. Mary's KS come from simple donations from faithful SSPX parishioners in the US? Somehow, I doubt it.
I thought I remember hearing that about 10 million came from the owners of LiveWatch when they sold to Brinks or ADT, but I could be wrong. As the years go by and the hair goes grey, the eyesight dims, the memory fades and now it is time for a good nap.
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Not too many people can afford $100 per week on top of their normal contribution.
That would be about 5 million ($5,000 each times 1,000) for a single year. You'd have to keep that pace up for 10 years.
People can afford it if it is for a worthy cause, and it helps the average if some people are giving a lot more than $100. Many would think a bigger church is a worthy cause. Wouldn't they have started saving for it long before 5 years ago?
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I'm beginning to think more and more that +Fellay is nothing but an infiltrator ... or else he was himself compromised (perhaps by the likes of Krah). ...
...+Fellay is a conscious destroyer, whether an infiltrator out of the gate, or else having been compromised by someone like Krah down the road sometime.
I think you're getting warm, Lad. A "conscious destroyer" and "infiltrator," I doubt. "(C)ompromised?" Undoubtedly. I think there is Jєωιѕн infiltration into the Society over at least 20 years. That would would help explain a 42 mil. dollar basilica-- Jew money, perhaps, or just hard working sspx faithful saving and donating their hard earned shekels?
How do priests like Peignot get away with this kind of behavior over 30 years? Jєωιѕн influence works for me in supplying an explanation.
Lad and others- Do you think that Fr. Peignot is a criminal priest? Do you think he belongs behind bars? I certainly do.
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How do priests like Peignot get away with this kind of behavior over 30 years? Jєωιѕн influence works for me in supplying an explanation.
Lad and others- Do you think that Fr. Peignot is a criminal priest? Do you think he belongs behind bars? I certainly do.
As far as I know he is, but then I haven't studied the details of that one. It's my understanding that the reason he's not behind bars is the statute of limitations.