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Offline hollingsworth

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Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2023, 09:16:20 PM »
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     I think she's (C. Niles)  very sloppy ... and the sloppiness comes from her agenda, where she wants to make certain findings ahead of time and can't remain objective.
    Then the choice is between a "very sloppy" reporter, who can not remain "objective," you say, and no reporting at all about Fr. Peignot and other sspx pedo priests.  Because I know of no other Catholic news outlet that takes the responsibility of exposing these criminals. 

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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #31 on: June 02, 2023, 07:56:37 AM »
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  • Hollingsworth,
    We all know that the new-sspx has been infiltrated, for the purposes of modernizing the liturgy/doctrine, and to slowly change the laity's view on Tradition/Orthodoxy, so they can join new-rome.  Thus, we know the new-sspx (and the old version too) was under constant attack by satan.  We also know that such attacks on the Church would be similar to those on the sspx (i.e. weak leadership, scandals, abuses to discredit the priesthood, lying to the faithful, etc).  But we also know that the *original* purpose of the sspx, similar to the *true* purpose of the Church is holy, pure and pleasing to God.  We also know that there are many, many good priests in the new-sspx who care for souls, who want to work for God, and who have holy intentions.  Similar to the Church, which still has many well-intentioned members.

    So what are we to do about this apparent contradiction?  The Holy and Divine Institution of the Church, the Bride of Christ, (with the old/new sspx (and all of Tradition) being but branches of the main, Apostolic Tree) being dragged through the mud, being scoffed at, being slapped in the face, being crowned with thorns, beaten, bruised, mocked, etc.  Just like Her Holy and Divine Author, Christ Himself.

    We live in a world full of abusers, takers, liars, purely evil people, with evil intents, especially on children.  It's everywhere - in the Church, in the sspx, in protestantism, in public schools, in private schools, at universities, etc.  We live in a VERY evil world.

    But God's Church will survive, because it is Divine.  We should expose evils as much as we can, but prayers/sacrifices are way more effective than investigation/reporting.  As St Paul tells us, "12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places." (Eph 6:12)

    There's only so much we can do against the devil.  God has given him time to rule the world, which is coming to an end.  But as Our Lady of Akita told us, he will darn-near rule the entire world through masonic sects, until God, in His wisdom, will have Our Lady step in and save the day.  Her Immaculate Heart will triumph, the world will be shocked at the resurrection of the Church, and many will convert because of this miraculous event and they will rejoice in God's glory and in Her power over evil.

    But until God decides that it is Our Lady's time for Victory, then He will continue to allow the world to sink deeper and deeper into chaos and destruction.  So that Her Victory will be even more magnificent, so that She will gain more praise, so that the greatest number of people will wake up and convert and save their souls.  Because it's all about salvation.  That is God's true wish for all of us.  Earthly peace is only temporary and only possible if we have spiritual peace first.  


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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #32 on: June 02, 2023, 08:02:46 AM »
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  • Then the choice is between a "very sloppy" reporter, who can not remain "objective," you say, and no reporting at all about Fr. Peignot and other sspx pedo priests.  Because I know of no other Catholic news outlet that takes the responsibility of exposing these criminals.

    How many Catholics "new outlets" are there anyway?  Certainly the SSPX news outlet is not going to expose these things.

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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #33 on: June 02, 2023, 11:32:03 AM »
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  • There is a new article up on this case. Including this disturbing allegation. 


    The priest would offer massages, with oil and soft music, to relax his victims before assaulting them. His modus operandi likely came from his habit of frequenting prostitutes in massage parlors in Cholet.

    He would also make his victims watch pornographic videos. One of his favorite sites was "666porn," referencing the number of the beast in the book of Revelation.

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/sspx-horror-trial-superior-knew-kept-predator-in-ministry

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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #34 on: June 02, 2023, 01:30:12 PM »
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  • There is a new article up on this case. Including this disturbing allegation.


    The priest would offer massages, with oil and soft music, to relax his victims before assaulting them. His modus operandi likely came from his habit of frequenting prostitutes in massage parlors in Cholet.

    He would also make his victims watch pornographic videos. One of his favorite sites was "666porn," referencing the number of the beast in the book of Revelation.

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/sspx-horror-trial-superior-knew-kept-predator-in-ministry

    Voris and Niles want to share the sordid little details, because they know that their readership/subscribers want to read them. It's creepy.

    It's one thing to make known the abuse cases that are going on that have to do with the SSPX, but what Voris and Niles are doing is something else entirely.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #35 on: June 02, 2023, 02:10:24 PM »
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  • I'm beginning to think more and more that +Fellay is nothing but an infiltrator ... or else he was himself compromised (perhaps by the likes of Krah).  It's interesting that he was added to the list of consecrands almost at the last minute due to the intervention of some influential donors to the SSPX.  When you look in particular at what he did in the Fr. Abbet case, where he lifted a suspension on Abbet, and then put him in a situation where he could and did perpetrate the same crimes against young boys that he had been accused of earlier.  It was almost inevitable.  That's where Bishop Fellay should be on trial himself as an accessory or even accomplish in the sɛҳuąƖ abuse of those boys.  But, as per the comment I made that CM quoted in a recent article, if your intention was to protect the reputation of the SSPX, HOW STUPID do you have to be not to realize that covering up and shuffling predators around does FAR WORSE damage to the reputation of the SSPX than the crimes themselves?  After all, the SSPX can't know about or control every deviant that made his way into the priesthood.  They should have learned this lesson from how it had already played out among the Conciliar hierarchy.  Had they acted decisively and transparently as soon as the crimes were credibly reported, no one could have faulted them for the behavior of a rogue priest (after all, there is such a thing as free will).

    I can't believe that +Fellay is THAT stupid.  Ergo, +Fellay is a conscious destroyer, whether an infiltrator out of the gate, or else having been compromised by someone like Krah down the road sometime.  This also would go a long way toward explaining his plan to change the theological orientation of the SSPX.  I believe that people have tracked down a lot of contradictory before and after statements in this regard, with the line between before and after demarcated by the appearance of Krah on the scene.

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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #36 on: June 02, 2023, 02:17:57 PM »
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  • Voris and Niles want to share the sordid little details, because they know that their readership/subscribers want to read them. It's creepy.

    It's one thing to make known the abuse cases that are going on that have to do with the SSPX, but what Voris and Niles are doing is something else entirely.

    I agree.  They do this on purpose because it increases the damage against the SSPX.  When I called them out in the comments section of the CM website for putting their agenda ahead of the poor girl who had been victimized by Father Stafki, by doxing her and printing lurid details regarding her abuse in pornographic detail, they deleted my comment.  In fact, one of the charges against Stafki was the use of an electronic medium to describe in detail sɛҳuąƖ acts with a child ... and explained to CM that they are guilty of the same thing.

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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #37 on: June 02, 2023, 02:28:53 PM »
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  • I agree.  They do this on purpose because it increases the damage against the SSPX.  When I called them out in the comments section of the CM website for putting their agenda ahead of the poor girl who had been victimized by Father Stafki, by doxing her and printing lurid details regarding her abuse in pornographic detail, they deleted my comment.  In fact, one of the charges against Stafki was the use of an electronic medium to describe in detail sɛҳuąƖ acts with a child ... and explained to CM that they are guilty of the same thing.

    It's good that you posted your comment about CM being guilty of doing the same thing as Fr. Stafki, in regards to posting pornographic detail, even if the comment was removed. Hopefully, some of their readers saw the comment before it was removed.

    As regards your previous post about Bp. Fellay, I very much agree. He moved abusive priests around, which allowed them to abuse again. That's a crime, IMO. He should be removed from the SSPX just for that. Yes, there is a good chance that he is an infiltrator.

    I have no problem with a news source providing accurate and well-researched information, without the pornographic details. Or the anti-traditionalist details, which isn't necessary either.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #38 on: June 02, 2023, 02:31:29 PM »
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  • I'm beginning to think more and more that +Fellay is nothing but an infiltrator ... or else he was himself compromised (perhaps by the likes of Krah).  It's interesting that he was added to the list of consecrands almost at the last minute due to the intervention of some influential donors to the SSPX. 

    [...]

    I can't believe that +Fellay is THAT stupid.  Ergo, +Fellay is a conscious destroyer, whether an infiltrator out of the gate, or else having been compromised by someone like Krah down the road sometime.

    Whether he is an infiltrator or simply naive, I will not say.

    But it is interesting that shortly after he became superior general, the Madame Rossiniere/Cornaz nonsense began, which, by appealing to +Fellay's vanity, "prophecied" an historical role for him at the head of the Society: He would lead the SSPX into the Church, legitimizing +Lefebvre's work, Tradition, and converting Rome.

    But it would not simply be the SSPX doing this, but a 5th column of Rossiniere's believers within the SSPX called "priest friends."  Many of these "priest friends" were later to become major superiors in the SSPX, and of course they were all favorable to a practical accord with modernist Rome (which is why Rossiniere's nonsense appealed to them in the first place).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #39 on: June 02, 2023, 03:39:19 PM »
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  • Voris and Niles want to share the sordid little details, because they know that their readership/subscribers want to read them. It's creepy.

    It's one thing to make known the abuse cases that are going on that have to do with the SSPX, but what Voris and Niles are doing is something else entirely.

    Yes, I agree that  CM loves to put out sordid details, but they also do so with the Novus Ordo, not only the SSPX.

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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #40 on: June 02, 2023, 04:23:14 PM »
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  • Yes, I agree that  CM loves to put out sordid details, but they also do so with the Novus Ordo, not only the SSPX.

    You're probably right. But I can't find any other current stories about abusers (Novus Ordo or otherwise) on the CM website, except for a story about McCarrick, which I can't read because it requires a premium subscriber membership in order to view.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #41 on: June 04, 2023, 08:00:41 PM »
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  • Lad: 
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    What does support on CI have to do with whether or not Pegnot was arrested?  Perhaps he fled the country, and there was a jurisdiction / extradiction / evidence problem.  I honestly don't know, but I doubt that CI's opinion has anything to do with the situation.


     Let me rephrase this "support" thing.  I said earlier, or I meant to say earlier, that a popular bishop with CI members seems, presently, to support Peignot and his work in southern France.  Peignot did not flee the country,  and is still ministering very actively there, with firm and devoted backing from his followers. This comes from a most reliable source.

    If some thought that I had described this bishop as a part of CI membership, then I hasten to disabuse them of such a notion.  So Lad, you're right.  CI has nothing to do with Peignot's problem

    BTW, to my knowledge, Peignot was never arrested by secular authorities.  Then CDF SG, Cdl Ladaria, threw the whole Peignot matter back into the sspx court in 2013 after a written complaint from one of the priest's victims.  Ladaria instructed Fellay to conduct a canonical trial of the pedo priest under Society auspices.
     
    In the mean time, Fellay asked Peignot to go off to the Society's "Golden Prison" in the French Alps. Peignot refused. The priest was finally judged guilty by sspx in June 2014.  But it wasn't until a year and a half later (2015) that the priest was formally dismissed from the Society.   Keep in mind this ended a 33 year relationship of Peignot with SSPX.  He had been ordained by sspx in 1982.  Fellay & Co. do not let go of their pervert priests easily.  




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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #42 on: June 04, 2023, 08:23:04 PM »
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  • BTW, did 42 million dollars for the new cathedral at St. Mary's KS come from simple donations from faithful  SSPX parishioners in the US?  Somehow, I doubt it.
    What does St Mary's have to do with this thread? It's not unreasonable if they had 1000 people give on average $100 per week.
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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #43 on: June 05, 2023, 08:00:04 AM »
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  • What does St Mary's have to do with this thread? It's not unreasonable if they had 1000 people give on average $100 per week.

    Not too many people can afford $100 per week on top of their normal contribution.

    That would be about 5 million ($5,000 each times 1,000) for a single year.  You'd have to keep that pace up for 10 years.

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    Re: Church Militant doubling down on SSPX scandals
    « Reply #44 on: June 05, 2023, 10:52:39 AM »
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  • ...
    BTW, did 42 million dollars for the new cathedral at St. Mary's KS come from simple donations from faithful  SSPX parishioners in the US?  Somehow, I doubt it.
    I thought I remember hearing that about 10 million came from the owners of LiveWatch when they sold to Brinks or ADT, but I could be wrong. As the years go by and the hair goes grey, the eyesight dims, the memory fades and now it is time for a good nap.