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« on: September 16, 2010, 12:05:39 PM »
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  •  Judge by the fruits. Please add this to the evidence that Club Infallible leads to insanity.

    http://www.oliverwillis.com/2010/09/02/audio-tea-party-senate-candidate-christine-odonnell-has-epic-radio-fail/

    AUDIO: Tea Party Senate Candidate Christine O’Donnell Has Epic Radio Fail

    http://www.wgmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/christine-odonnell.mp3


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    « Reply #1 on: September 18, 2010, 09:58:25 AM »
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  • Christine O'Donnell Practiced Witchcraft



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     I am not trying to bash O'Donnell. But the casual attitude of involvment of a boyfriend that offered blood sacrifice on a satanic altar ?  .  THis is why I constantly bitch about Pius IX and the end times Catholicism abandonment of scripture and tradition. She should not have been laughing about this "innocent" exposure to satanism.  After 1986 Assisi paganfest, is it any wonder why Club Infallible Novus Ordo Catholics don't see the danger of apostasy and even satanism ?  

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    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/christine_odonnells_sexual_evolution.php

    O'Donnell decided then to drop her acting ambitions (she was a theater major). She became an evangelical Christian, a departure from her relatively lax Catholic upbringing.

    She received her calling, she told the Washington Times in 1997, at a women's conference at Harvard in 1995. There, she was speaking at a panel on abortion with a rep from Planned Parenthood. As she spoke of abstinence, she was booed. Then she realized, she said, that the women in the audience weren't angry, they were hurt. "I just want to let you know that I know that hurt. I didn't always think this way and I've been where you guys are," she recalled saying.

    "That was where it started," she said. "I just cried out to God to use me to touch that generation."

    That was the seed for an organization O'Donnell would found in order to preach chastity. She named it Savior's Alliance for Lifting the Truth, or SALT. She spoke at high schools and colleges, and went to concerts to hand out literature claiming condoms are ineffective.

    While she was president of SALT, O'Donnell read Pope John Paul II's "On the Dignity and Vocation of Women," and converted back to Catholicism. The treatise envisioned gender roles as equal, but different.


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      quick note = S.A.L.T  -Savior's Alliance for Lifting the Truth

      In my inner city neighborhood, lifting means stealing.  I find it interesting that one actor would be inspired by another actor, John Paul II. JPII was an ace when it came to lifting the truth so that it is completely eclipsed. Just like his birth and death solar eclipses.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 18, 2010, 10:03:46 AM »
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  • Wow, yeah, that's the establishment for you. She's not a real Catholic anyway.

    It's pretty hilarious how you come here, Classicom, and equate traditional Catholics with the Novus Ordo ones. They're two different religions. This is good information to the flag waving sheeple that believe in the boogeyman terrorists (not the real terrorists who are the government, of course) and believe the Iraq war is somehow a war against radical muslims and for freedom. Most of us are wise to this, though. Thanks for posting that interview with her.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #3 on: September 18, 2010, 10:30:45 AM »
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  •   Since you mentioned it, check this out (sorry for the sidetrack, but this is too good)

    The Muslims are not the enemy
    http://www.spingola.com/By_Way_of_Deception.html

    (click link for full article : By Way of Deception )

    The Muslims are not the enemy. They don’t extort usury through the Federal Reserve; they aren’t manufacturing population-reducing vaccines and GMO seeds; they didn’t devise our abortion laws (about fifty million dead); they didn’t bail out the banks; they didn’t create the Department of Homeland Security and impose the PATRIOT Act; they aren’t wiretapping our private conversations or scanning us at the airport; they didn’t impose godless Communism on several countries and cause the death of millions of innocent people; they haven’t instituted the draconian healthcare laws; they have not orchestrated the nation’s economic crashes; they have not deindustrialized the nation and outsourced so many jobs; they haven’t wiped out the middle class by passing trade laws like NAFTA; [88] and they haven’t foreclosed on thousands of homes; they are not the reason thousands of people live in tent cities; they haven’t developed depleted uranium weapons. Instead of worrying about a mosque, consider what’s going on behind the closed doors at the Federal Reserve, the Pentagon, the Senate and House chambers, the CFR, the State Department, the UN or dozens of other places. The Muslims didn’t instigate the attacks on the USS Liberty or the USS Cole and they didn’t orchestrate the highly organized attack in Manhattan on 9/11.

    People should be burning the 9/11 Commission Report or if they insist on burning a religious book, burn the Bible or the Talmud instead of the Quran. Most of the people who insist that the Quran is full of hate have never even seen the book.


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    « Reply #4 on: September 18, 2010, 09:43:29 PM »
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  • I agree with you, though. You're singing to the choir here, buddy.


    However, the Mohammedans have always been an enemy. They are a part of a Satanic religion. Remember Lapanto!

    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    « Reply #5 on: September 19, 2010, 06:27:51 AM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    I agree with you, though. You're singing to the choir here, buddy.


    However, the Mohammedans have always been an enemy. They are a part of a Satanic religion. Remember Lapanto!



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      Don't forget the words of Jesus Christ to St. Peter :   "Get behind me Satan." . Human nature always assumes we are fine, it's the bad guys who are the problem. In reality, we are our worst enemy. That goes for the Catholic Church and everybody as individuals.

       Nature abhors a vacuum and it will quickly dispatch a clean up crew for anything dead on the road. What was the state of the faith in 1571 ? In 1572 we had the St. Bartholemew's Massacre of thousands of Protestants, and also a commemorative coin for the occasion, minted by the pope. Trent was a life saving band aid on a pretty sick pup. Traditionalists always wear rose colored glasses when viewing that era. THe homoerotic palace known as the Sistine Chapel should tell you something about those times.

      Getting back to the original topic, I am more concerned about the battles we lost as Catholics : Vatican I and Vatican II councils. The answer for today's vacuum of near complete lack of faith will be the antiChrist. The Church can't fight evil using the tactics of evil : spiritual dictatorship via centralization of power. Christ was more of a anti-(corrupt)establishment kind of guy, going door to door, taking it to the streets rather than the ivory tower. Christ healed the individual, and empowered him with a faith that could move mountains. So maybe some of these themes are tied in with today's elections. It is a shame that when Catholics like Joe Biden and Christine O'Donnell go into battle, they were given only play toys to defend their souls.


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    « Reply #6 on: September 19, 2010, 10:05:53 PM »
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  • I think the next time Classiccom publicly insults the faith by using the antagonistic term 'club infallible' he should be permanently banned.  It's getting old along with his almost continuous string of fallacies.  

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    « Reply #7 on: September 19, 2010, 10:05:57 PM »
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  • I'll take O'Donnell over the pro-abort Dem any day.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 20, 2010, 12:01:23 AM »
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  •  Sorry to be so abrasive Camunus

     How about the acronym C.I.N.O.C.  (novus ordo Catholic)


    http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100919/NEWS02/9190354/Evangelical-activism-tips-primaries?GID=QllqHWyYgAIehHVO76jP274XsFtFSdT38djc6F3MG4E%3D


    Delaware politics: Rise in evangelical activism tips scales in primaries

    Politically conservative Christians putting ballots where their Bibles are

    By JEFF MONTGOMERY, BETH MILLER and GINGER GIBSON
    The News Journal

    Ella Shank recalls saying a little prayer Tuesday before casting her Republican primary vote in the Greenwood Fire Hall.

    "I believe that God is waking America up," said Shank, who attends a Mennonite church. She was among those who helped Christine O'Donnell upset longtime Rep. Mike Castle in the Republican primary for the U.S. Senate.

    "If people don't start voting for what's right, God will punish us."

    Greenwood stands at the epicenter of O'Donnell's upset win over Castle -- a large and mostly rural, majority-Republican election district that, along with nearby Bridgeville, delivered more votes to O'Donnell than any other in Delaware.

    It was a district that by most accounts saw a surge in political activism on social issues among evangelicals, surprising many party regulars, and was a factor in derailing Castle's political career.

    Those same factors rumbled across much of the state, including some northern regions, helping developer Glen Urquhart beat mainstream Republican Michele Rollins in her bid for the party's nomination to face Democrat John Carney in the November congressional race.

    The same religious fervor permeated Fox News commentator Glenn Beck's late August convocation in Washington, D.C. Despite calls to downplay politics, faithful Urquhart and O'Donnell supporters joined Beck in a sort of pre-primary pep rally on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.

    At times, the event organized by Beck, a Mormon, evoked Urquhart's and O'Donnell's campaign rallies, where assembled voters united in prayer and evangelism. Though no one explains the change in Delaware's voting patterns entirely in terms of activist voting by conservative Christians, many think it's a significant factor.

    "I wouldn't call it the Christian Coalition, but there was definitely a faith basis to a lot of this," said J. Everett Moore, an attorney and former Sussex County Republican Committee chairman. "The faith community tends to get involved periodically. It's obviously much stronger here in Sussex County."

    According to the Association of Religion Data Archives, a compilation of reports from religious scholars and research centers around the world, Catholics made up the largest group of adherents to a single religious denomination in Delaware as of 2000. Mainline Protestants were next at 32 percent and evangelical Protestants at 13 percent. Orthodox faiths and other religions accounted for the remaining residents. Only about 40 percent of the state, however, claimed membership in any identified church.

    But many with long histories of watching Delaware elections believe the evangelical Christian voting bloc has grown in strength, especially in southern New Castle County, where suburban Catholic congregations and new evangelical churches are growing.

    "The Delaware primary is an example of the kind of grass-roots revolts we're seeing across the country, and it's entirely possible that social conservatives, as the Christian conservatives are sometimes called, were an important part in what happened," said John Green, a University of Akron political science professor.

    "Christine O'Donnell did create a bit of a buzz in the conservative Christian community because of her stance on marriage, and sexuality, which is closer to their view," said Green, who directs the university's Ray C. Bliss Institute of Applied Politics.

    One theory is that O'Donnell's public religious devotion helped her to pull more religious and social conservatives alongside tea party supporters, who usually focus more heavily on economic and political conservatism.

    At a candidate forum in Newark in August, O'Donnell campaign volunteer coordinator Kristina Hamilton knelt behind the candidate, placed her hands on O'Donnell's shoulders and prayed as the Republican sat in a corner reviewing notes before taking the stage.

    The event, sponsored by the Founders Values group at the Newark Senior Center, didn't have an overtly religious tone. But O'Donnell drew cheers from the crowd of about 50 when she talked about how her religious values have led her to be anti-abortion and oppose stem-cell research.

    Raised Roman Catholic, O'Donnell converted to Protestantism, and later rejoined the Catholic Church. Throughout the 1990s, she organized young Christians to fight pornography, premarital sex and abortion and advocated turning homosexuals "straight" in groups such as the Savior's Alliance for Lifting the Truth (SALT) and Concerned Women for America.

    O'Donnell rejected Castle's support of embryonic stem-cell research and of women's rights to abortion. She has described homosexuality as "an identity disorder."

    Castle's positions on such issues helped preserve ties to moderate Delaware voters, and some feel that made the GOP more competitive and conversant in a state with a significant majority of Democratic voters and moderate independents.

    But they remain repugnant to those who possess a fundamental belief that marriage can only be defined as one woman and one man and that life begins at conception, where each stem cell is a potential soul.

    "What is more basic than life?" Urquhart asked Rollins during their exchanges on the issue.

    For several years, Delaware saw statewide rallies -- organized by groups including the Catholic-backed Rose & A Prayer and the Delaware Family Policy Council -- against embryonic stem-cell research, abortion and bills ending discriminatory practices against the gay community.

    Rollins believes the primary results revealed hard lines drawn along religious lines.

    "All the time I talked about the economy and jobs, they could never get off the pro-life issue," she said. "It will drive everything they do. I have always felt that the pro-life, very far right is very fervent about what they believe. There's nothing less than 100 percent agreement with them. I would never meet that standard, neither did I try to."

    Urquhart believes his victory is "God's will," and he believes he will be able to help heal the party of its sharp divisions.

    Gary Hindes, former chairman of the state Democratic Party, called the surge in socially conservative influence troubling.

    "It's scary to see a legitimate political party run by people I respect -- but have profound differences with -- taken hostage by basically extremists. It's not good for America. It's not good for Delaware," Hindes said.

    "As former state chairman, I should be rolling on the floor with glee. This will be very good for Chris Coons and John Carney," Hindes said. "But it's a very, very sad day for our country to see the Republican Party put up a nominee who is really way off the fringe element."

    Others see the change as a natural development.

    "Christians, particularly, are becoming more motivated to exercise their civil right to vote, based on issues that are of concern to them," said Pastor Darrell Morris of Lifeway Church of God in Bridgeville, just south of Greenwood. "I think folks are becoming more educated on the issues and looking for candidates who are going to agree with them."

    Economic, social concerns

    Veteran Republicans said the conservative Christian surge added to campaigns already buoyed by voter unhappiness over the nation's broken economy and a last-minute infusion of national tea party money.

    Also helpful was a lower voter turnout in Castle's northern Delaware stronghold.

    While turnout was highest and O'Donnell's winning margins widest in Sussex County, she also prevailed in suburban New Castle County, particularly in the Bear-Glasgow area. Many suburban northern Delaware election districts had turnout 40 percent to 50 percent lower than in Sussex. O'Donnell retained mostly winning margins despite predictions that her base would be mainly in the south.

    Near Woodside in Kent County, Pastor Bill Roberts of New Life Family Worship Center said evangelical voters have been mobilized by concerns about the economy and by social and moral issues, including Castle's abortion-rights stands and support for stem-cell research.

    "I really think there is more participation. A lot more of the churches are getting involved in actually getting out there and identifying the candidates, what they stand for, and looking for some kind of truth in them," Roberts said.

    "I heard a lot of people say they really wanted to get out there and vote and become active. They've sat back long enough," Roberts said. "People are tired of the recession, they're looking for answers from someone, and as Christians, there's a whole moral issue."

    No GOP faith monopoly

    People of faith in Delaware hold many divergent political views, said the Rev. Bruce Gillette, pastor of Limestone Presbyterian Church. Conservatives don't agree on all points, he said. Liberals don't, either, and he finds such labels problematic.

    "I'm very wary of any pastor or church that has a litmus test, and I don't think any one politician or church has a corner on the truth," he said. "And people are all over the map. Somebody may be very traditionally pro-life but still support gay rights."

    The Rev. Thomas J. Reese, a Jesuit priest, author and researcher at the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University, said Catholics have more often aligned with Democrats, despite O'Donnell's public stands.

    "It would make sense for some of the more conservative Protestant groups to be attracted to the tea party," Reese said. "This is a race where the Catholic issues weren't very visible, and certainly the church was not in the fight -- it was at the sidelines," Reese said. "What's going to be really interesting is when the tea party's libertarian agenda trumps its social agenda."

    'I've never seen such anger'

    Hot-button moral issues aren't the only ones that have caught the fervor of some churchgoers.

    Pastor Ron David, who leads the large Faith Community Church in Camden, said the anger of many Christians has simply boiled over.

    "I've been a pastor for 45 years and I've never seen such anger," David said. "They're very disillusioned with the government and with the old Republican leadership. I haven't met anyone in my travels or get-togethers who agrees with health care or cap-and-trade or tax policies."

    Cap-and-trade is an environmental program intended to reduce greenhouse gases by allowing polluters to trade permits for emissions in ways that benefit cleaner industries and help those businesses needing more time. But cap-and-trade became an unlikely rallying cry for O'Donnell supporters during her campaign.

    Joseph Cooper, a Johns Hopkins University professor and a member of the Annenberg Foundation's Institutions of Democracy Project, that cap-and-trade legislation became a symbol and rallying issue for groups unhappy over the economy and government mandates.

    Conservative talk-show hosts and conservative publications hammered at the issue in recent weeks, making points that resonated with conservative voters. They identified Castle as the poster child for cap-and-trade.

    "You have an economy that's in serious trouble and they're talking about taxing utilities and raising costs for benefits that are disputable," Cooper said. "If the country were in good shape, maybe there would be a more balanced discussion. The problem is people are suffering out there, and the realities of what people confront in their daily lives overcome media debates."

    That idea took root in Delaware and was frequently mentioned as a top issue by O'Donnell supporters questioned about their votes Tuesday.

    "I do not like some of the votes he cast this year, like cap-and-trade," said Donna D. Butler, another Greenwood voter. "I never met either one of them, O'Donnell or Castle, but I wanted the incumbent out."

    Insurgency in Republican Party

    John Weaver, a national Republican strategist and former top adviser to Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, described the Delaware primary as "a perfect storm for her and against Mike."

    "When there's a bad economy, there's a darker element in our party that emerges, kind of a populist, angry wing," Weaver said.

    "The tea party is not a unifying group. There are some that are just focused on fiscal issues, there are some that are really concerned about social issues. There's a faith-based community and there are angry people," Weaver said.

    "You couldn't duplicate this if you wanted to, in another cycle," Weaver said. "We are searching for our soul in the party. We haven't found it yet, and there are a lot of victims along the side of the road."

    Adam Sheingate, a Johns Hopkins University associate professor of American politics and comparative public policy, said evangelical Christians were noticeable factors during elections in 2002 and 2004, when Republicans did well, and evangelical support was closely tied to the Bush administration and Republican Party.

    "What we're seeing in 2010 is very different, where there's an insurgency within the Republican Party, as was so clearly demonstrated in Delaware," Sheingate said. "That may be where something has changed, if that plays out. The bigger question is, with this insurgency, will the Republican leadership try to damp it down or accept it and encourage it?"

    'We need a change'

    Glenn C. Kenton, a Republican and former chief of staff to Gov. Pierre S. du Pont IV, said the parties need to pay attention to the heat.

    "I know a lot of people down there [in Sussex County]. There are a lot of angry people there, and a lot of decent people. I think some of my friends in the urbanized area think these people are a bunch of Bible-thumping church-goers who live in trailers. That's not the case. Certainly there's a base in the Christian churches. But this revolt is far broader than just a small segment of voters."

    David B. Wilson, who lives near Greenwood, is one of those angry people.

    "Basically, I feel that everyone in Washington who's been there for all these years are responsible for our problems. They let all the jobs leave the country," Wilson said. "I think we need a change. I don't think it's about Christine O'Donnell. I think it's about Mike Castle and what he did and didn't do."
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      Mike Castle - another Catholic just like Joe Biden , who leaves his faith at home when it comes to abortion and other hard issues.  Thank goodness he lost. This was a clear choice between a pro and anti abortion candidate. Fr. Reese said that Catholic Church was on the sidelines and implied that this is not a Catholic issue.

     Sorry Caminus, but Fr. Reese is a CINOC and seems to be preaching the liberal democratic social gospel instead of the gospel of Christ. These closet marxists should be outed, along with CINOC ringleader Pope Ratzinger.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 20, 2010, 07:41:01 AM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    I'll take O'Donnell over the pro-abort Dem any day.


    I'll take neither, lesser of 2 evils is a road to hell, slower or faster-gave us Bush vs Gore, Bush vs Kerry and then, McCain vs Obama....vote third party, for your self or not at all.....the woman is a Neocon, guarantee, as she is a Tea Bagger....
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    « Reply #10 on: September 20, 2010, 07:41:34 AM »
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    Wow, yeah, that's the establishment for you. She's not a real Catholic anyway.

    It's pretty hilarious how you come here, Classicom, and equate traditional Catholics with the Novus Ordo ones. They're two different religions. This is good information to the flag waving sheeple that believe in the boogeyman terrorists (not the real terrorists who are the government, of course) and believe the Iraq war is somehow a war against radical muslims and for freedom. Most of us are wise to this, though. Thanks for posting that interview with her.


    he is not really a Catholic, either, so he is confused, clinging to the Old Catholic heresy......
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    « Reply #11 on: September 20, 2010, 10:07:03 AM »
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  • From a SSPX web site:  
    http://tinyurl.com/25h7e6b


    In the present circumstances, it is a strict obligation for all those who
    have the right to vote, men and women, to take part in the elections.
    Whoever abstains from doing so, in particular by indolence or weakness,
    commits a sin grave in itself, a mortal fault. Each one must follow the
    dictate of his own conscience. However, it is obvious that the voice of
    conscience imposes on every Catholic to give his vote to the candidates who
    offer truly sufficient guarantees for the protection of the rights of God and
    of souls, for the true good of individuals, families and of society, according
    to the love of God and Catholic moral teaching.

    This application of the Church’s social teaching to the particular
    situation of the time is in accord with the teaching of the moral
    theologians, who speak of the grave sin of omission for those who simply
    neglect to elect good, Catholic representatives, and of the duty of doing
    all in our power of encouraging suitable laymen to work towards using
    the electoral system to obtain worthy lawmakers.

    However, how far removed we are from this situation! Clearly, we
    are no longer in the circumstance of having to choose between Catholic
    and non-Catholic, morally upright and liberal representatives. All the
    alternatives are liberal, the deception and the manipulation of the public
    by the media is rampant. In practice, it generally comes down to the
    question of whether or not it is permissible to vote for an unworthy
    candidate (e.g., a candidate who only approves abortion in cases of rape
    or incest), for he would at least (we suppose) be the lesser evil. In such
    a case, there can be no obligation to vote, for all the reasons that could
    oblige, mentioned by Pope Pius XII, no longer apply. Nevertheless, it is
    still permissible to vote in such a case, provided that one can be sure that
    there truly is a lesser evil, and that there is a grave reason to do so (e.g.,

    to avoid abortion on demand, or promotion of unnatural methods of
    birth control), and one has the good intention of providing for the good
    of society as best one can. This is called material cooperation. However,
    it can never be obligatory.

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    « Reply #12 on: September 20, 2010, 10:50:25 AM »
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  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    From a SSPX web site:  
    http://tinyurl.com/25h7e6b


    In the present circumstances, it is a strict obligation for all those who
    have the right to vote, men and women, to take part in the elections.
    Whoever abstains from doing so, in particular by indolence or weakness,
    commits a sin grave in itself, a mortal fault. Each one must follow the
    dictate of his own conscience. However, it is obvious that the voice of
    conscience imposes on every Catholic to give his vote to the candidates who
    offer truly sufficient guarantees for the protection of the rights of God and
    of souls, for the true good of individuals, families and of society, according
    to the love of God and Catholic moral teaching.

    This application of the Church’s social teaching to the particular
    situation of the time is in accord with the teaching of the moral
    theologians, who speak of the grave sin of omission for those who simply
    neglect to elect good, Catholic representatives, and of the duty of doing
    all in our power of encouraging suitable laymen to work towards using
    the electoral system to obtain worthy lawmakers.

    However, how far removed we are from this situation! Clearly, we
    are no longer in the circumstance of having to choose between Catholic
    and non-Catholic, morally upright and liberal representatives. All the
    alternatives are liberal, the deception and the manipulation of the public
    by the media is rampant. In practice, it generally comes down to the
    question of whether or not it is permissible to vote for an unworthy
    candidate (e.g., a candidate who only approves abortion in cases of rape
    or incest), for he would at least (we suppose) be the lesser evil. In such
    a case, there can be no obligation to vote, for all the reasons that could
    oblige, mentioned by Pope Pius XII, no longer apply. Nevertheless, it is
    still permissible to vote in such a case, provided that one can be sure that
    there truly is a lesser evil, and that there is a grave reason to do so (e.g.,

    to avoid abortion on demand, or promotion of unnatural methods of
    birth control), and one has the good intention of providing for the good
    of society as best one can. This is called material cooperation. However,
    it can never be obligatory.


    Yes, but there is so much more....

    Consequently, in the rare case that there is a clearly, publicly Catholic candidate who supports the teaching of the Church, there is a strict moral obligation to vote, under pain of mortal sin.  Where there is a clear gain possible from the correct use of a vote for some other candidate, it can be recommended or counseled.  However when there is no clear advantage it would be better to abstain, so as not to contribute even to a material participation.  

    For a Catholic, there can be no doubt that the issues that take the highest priority must be the moral issues, and not personal or economic issues.  Consequently, it is permissible and prudent to vote on the one single issue of proscribing abortion, or forbidding same-sex marriages, or putting an end to euthanasia, or freedom of the Catholic Church to run educational institutions.  Consequently it would be permissible and prudent to vote for a candidate who promotes an unjust war, on the basis of one or other of these issues.  It is likewise permissible to vote for a candidate who is known to be a Freemason, although Freemasonry is an evil society condemned by the Church and opposed to the Catholic Church, if he maintains and important principal of the natural law, such as the evil of abortion.  

    It would be manifestly immoral and sinful to vote for a candidate who pretends to be Catholic, but who in fact is  pro-abortion, pro-gay, or pro-euthanasia.

    Voting in local and national elections can only be considered a moral obligation when the candidates propose a solidly Catholic, non-liberal platform that truly promotes the Social Kinship of Our Lord Jesus Christ.  

    It is not obligatory to vote for a lesser evil, but simply prudent and permissible.  It would certainly be obligatory to use the democratic process in place in the unlikely event that it could be used to introduce Catholic candidates who do not accept the propaganda of modern liberal democracy.  

    In other words, one COULD vote for Ms. O'Donnell if they so desired.  She is vehemently opposed to abortion, gay "rights", and dispensing contraception.  However, one is not REQUIRED to vote for her at all.  One may choose to abstain or vote for another clearly Catholic candidate.  In this case, however, I think it might actually be prudent to vote for her.  It would clearly send a message to all of American that moral issues are the MOST fundamental issues facing America today.

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    CathMomof7 said ---> In other words, one COULD vote for Ms. O'Donnell if they so desired.  She is vehemently opposed to abortion, gay "rights", and dispensing contraception.  However, one is not REQUIRED to vote for her at all.  One may choose to abstain or vote for another clearly Catholic candidate.  In this case, however, I think it might actually be prudent to vote for her.  It would clearly send a message to all of American that moral issues are the MOST fundamental issues facing America today.


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    This is how I feel about her, exactly!  I wish there might be a clearly Catholic candidate that would have a chance of winning.

    (sorry I can't get those quote tags to work properly for some reason)

     

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