Author Topic: Check out this wreckovation - looks like a Prot church (Read 6828 times)

andysloan · « **Reply #75 on:** December 06, 2014, 02:51:55 AM »

JPaul said:

"Your quotes do nothing but confirm what I have said, and do indeed condemn your own assertions.
You cannot enlist the truth to defend that which is false, and you cannot use the Queen of the Saints to justify the works of demons. "

You do not see the Queen of Saints in this revelation. You have not even attempted to disprove its authenticity.

What you are concerned with is to defend your own opinion, formed of pharasiasm, which you hold of higher import than the truth.

"a heretic is one who either devises or follows false and new opinions, for the sake of some temporal profit, especially that he may lord and be honored above others." St Augustine

You fear to be wrong, because of the consequences ie; that you will be forced to admit you were in error and your condemnations of the conciliar Popes will be seen for what they really are; not just reprovals, but slander and hate against authority constituted by God, with the imbroglio post Vatican 2 used as cover for your malice.

JPaul · « **Reply #76 on:** December 06, 2014, 02:13:42 PM »

Quote from: andysloan

JPaul said:

"Your quotes do nothing but confirm what I have said, and do indeed condemn your own assertions.
You cannot enlist the truth to defend that which is false, and you cannot use the Queen of the Saints to justify the works of demons. "

You do not see the Queen of Saints in this revelation. You have not even attempted to disprove its authenticity.

What you are concerned with is to defend your own opinion, formed of pharasiasm, which you hold of higher import than the truth.

"a heretic is one who either devises or follows false and new opinions, for the sake of some temporal profit, especially that he may lord and be honored above others." St Augustine

You fear to be wrong, because of the consequences ie; that you will be forced to admit you were in error and your condemnations of the conciliar Popes will be seen for what they really are; not just reprovals, but slander and hate against authority constituted by God, with the imbroglio post Vatican 2 used as cover for your malice.

The absurdity of your charges do not dignify a response. The authority constituted by God was rejected and blasphemed by Vatican II and its adherents. You constitute a part of that rebellion against almost two thousand years of the Church's Catholic sense and judgment.

andysloan · « **Reply #77 on:** December 06, 2014, 02:55:39 PM »

JPaul said:

"The absurdity of your charges do not dignify a response."

ie; your not willing to face up to the consequences that you are in error, because you will have to then admit that your haughty denunciations of the conciliar Popes are nothing but hate veneered with (hypocritical) formalism. You are another "catholic", of whom there are many these days, who think Catholicism is about legalism and knowledge- as the pharisees of old. Whereas true Catholicism is about carrying the cross.

"Even my own people - and I say this with tears in my eyes and grief in my heart - my own children whom I have brought up and instructed in my ways, my members whom I have quickened with my own Spirit, have turned their backs on me and forsaken me by becoming enemies of my Cross. 'Will you also go away?' Will you also desert me by running away from my Cross like the worldlings, who thus become so many antichrists? Will you also follow the world; despise the poverty of my Cross in order to seek after wealth; shun the sufferings of my Cross to look for enjoyment; avoid the humiliations of my Cross in order to chase after the honours of the world? 'There are many who pretend they are friends of mine and protest that they love me, but in their hearts they hate me. I have many friends of my table, but very few of my Cross. No, no, my dear Companions of the Cross, do not deceive yourselves. Those Christians you see everywhere, fashionably dressed, fastidious in manner, full of importance and dignity, are not real disciples, real members of Christ crucified. To think they are would be an insult to our thorn-crowned Head and to the truth of the Gospel. How many so-called Christians imagine they are members of our Saviour when in reality they are his treacherous persecutors, for while they make the sign of the cross with their hand, in their hearts they are its enemies!' - St Father Montfort - Letter to the Friends of the cross

I went to the Novus Ordo this evening. I received the Body and blood of Christ. In the morning I am going to an SSPX mass, to also receive the Body and blood of Christ. I have the love of God in me as I write. Therefore, how can I be in rebellion? How wrong you are!

Matto · « **Reply #78 on:** December 06, 2014, 03:02:11 PM »

When you go to the Novus Ordo do you receive communion in the hand?

andysloan · « **Reply #79 on:** December 06, 2014, 03:47:47 PM »

Matto:

Mark 12:13

"And they sent to him some of the Pharisees and of the Herodians; that they should catch him in his words."

Thus trying to find fault, so you find excuse to relieve the pressure of the truth.

I receive communion on the tongue and kneeling.

"The enemies of Christ's cross lie in wait for our every deed and word, so that, if we but give them the slightest pretext, they may accuse us mendaciously of agreeing with Nestorius." Pope Leo - letter to Proterius, Bishop of Alexandria

Matto · « **Reply #80 on:** December 06, 2014, 03:57:53 PM »

Quote from: andysloan

I receive communion on the tongue and kneeling.

Good. That is how you should receive. And thanks for the insult.

andysloan · « **Reply #81 on:** December 06, 2014, 04:37:34 PM »

Matto said:

"Good. That is how you should receive"

Why did you ask me? Did you wish to give me instruction?

Matto · « **Reply #82 on:** December 06, 2014, 04:38:49 PM »

Quote from: andysloan

Matto said:

"Good. That is how you should receive"

Why did you ask me? Did you wish to give me instruction?

I asked you because you say the Novus Ordo is alright so I wondered if you received holy communion like most people in the Novus Ordo in the way officially approved by the Novus Ordo Church.

andysloan · « **Reply #83 on:** December 06, 2014, 04:42:16 PM »

Matto said:

"I asked you because you say the Novus Ordo is alright so I wondered if you received holy communion like most people in the Novus Ordo in the way officially approved by the Novus Ordo Church."

You really expect me (and God) to believe that?

Matto · « **Reply #84 on:** December 06, 2014, 04:49:17 PM »

Quote from: andysloan

Matto said:

"I asked you because you say the Novus Ordo is alright so I wondered if you received holy communion like most people in the Novus Ordo in the way officially approved by the Novus Ordo Church."

You really expect me (and God) to believe that?

I don't understand your comment. Are you accusing me of lying?

andysloan · « **Reply #85 on:** December 06, 2014, 05:00:11 PM »

By saying you don't understand the comment you are lying. And then suggesting that your motive in asking me whether I had communion in the hand was just a wondering, is an act of deceit.

Matto · « **Reply #86 on:** December 06, 2014, 05:03:19 PM »

So now I am a liar. You cannot even give me the benefit of the doubt. You seem to follow the same pattern in all your interactions here. You are one of the most liberal members on Cathinfo and because of your liberalism you often get in disagreements with other less liberal posters. And when this happens you always accuse the other person of being evil instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt. At least this time you didn't quote some irrelevant passage from scripture, a private revelation, or an exorcism, you just came out and called me a liar when I have been truthful.

JPaul · « **Reply #87 on:** December 08, 2014, 01:58:24 PM »

Andy Sloan,

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I went to the Novus Ordo this evening. I received the Body and blood of Christ.

So you say. Given the realities of today, that is far from certain.

That you pass from the sacrilegious mockery to the Catholic Mass so freely is hard to imagine.