Okay, Andy, let's start with the Ottaviani intervention, co-authored in large part by Archbishop Lefebvre. http://www.catholictradition.org/Eucharist/ottaviani.htm

Remember every word of this doctrinal criticism was speaking solely about the New Mass in Latin, ad orientem with biretta and incense etc. And yet almost every word about its prophetic witness has proved true. Archbishop Lefebvre, Cardinal Ottaviani and others of the "old guard" were not prophets strictly so called, but their great understanding and love of the Catholic Faith and the means the Church has always taken to protect Her children from error and novelty, and what would happen if those safeguards were destroyed, allowed them to predict with perfect prescience what would be the effects of the implementation of the New Mass, including a loss of faith in the Real Presence, in the propitiatory character of the Sacrifice of the Mass, even in the divinity of Christ especially by Communion in the hand etc. All this is beside the many abuses since then which on a day to day basis occur in many parishes throughout the world and which only confirm that the intention of many of the reformers was a complete break from Catholic Tradition. They make urgent and necessary now more than ever (by the way, even Rome has never said the Ottaviani intervention is an unacceptable criticism) the criticisms of the New Mass, and make fighting for the universal restoration of Tradition in every parish and diocese of the universal Church beginning from Rome a duty of every informed Catholic. Lex orandi, Lex credendi. It is impossible to restore doctrinal orthodoxy without a simultaneous restoration of traditional praxis.

Since Our Lady's apparitions in Akita, Japan were approved by Pope Benedict XVI, I'm sure you believe it, Andy. And there She repeated what those informed about their Faith and about Tradition already knew, "The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate Me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres ; Churches and Altars will be sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord. The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of My sadness."

St. Pius V had the Roman Missal drawn up (as the present Apostolic Constitution now recalls) as an instrument of unity among Catholics. In conformity with the injunctions of the Council of Trent, the Missal was to exclude all dangers, either to liturgical worship or to the faith itself, then threatened by the Protestant Revolt. The grave situation fully justified--and even rendered prophetic--the saintly Pontiff's solemn warning given in 1570 at the end of the Bull promulgating his Missal. Should anyone presume to tamper with this, let him know that he shall incur the wrath of God Almighty and His holy Apostles Peter and Paul. [54]When the Novus Ordo was presented at the Vatican Press Office, it was impudently asserted that conditions which prompted the decrees of the Council of Trent no longer exist. Not only do these decrees still apply today, but conditions now are infinitely worse.

It was precisely to repel those snares which in every age threaten the pure Deposit of Faith, [55] that the Church, under divine inspiration, set up dogmatic definitions and doctrinal pronouncements as her defenses. These in turn immediately influenced her worship, which became the most complete monument to her faith. Trying to return this worship to the practices of Christian antiquity and recreating artificially the original spontaneity of ancient times is to engage in that "unhealthy archaeologism" Pius XII so roundly condemned. [56] It is, moreover, to dismantle all the theological ramparts erected for the protection of the rite and to take away all the beauty which enriched it for centuries. [57] And all this at one of the most critical moments--if not the most critical moment--in the Church's history! Today, division and schism are officially acknowledged to exist not only outside the Church, but within her as well. [58] The Church's unity is not only threatened, but has already been tragically compromised. [59] Errors against the Faith are not merely insinuated, but are--as has been likewise acknowledged--now forcibly imposed through liturgical abuses and aberrations. To abandon a liturgical tradition which for four centuries stood as a sign and pledge of unity in worship, [60] and to replace it with another liturgy which, due to the countless liberties it implicitly authorizes, cannot but be a sign of division--a liturgy which teems with insinuations or manifest errors against the integrity of the Catholic Faith--is, we feel bound in conscience to proclaim, an incalculable error.

ihsv said of the NO:

"It can absolutely be described as evil."


As measured by what criteria?

The Novus Ordo violates St. Pius V's Quo Primum. The Mass is not supposed to be altered.

Totally! But it is still valid and not evil. In our times, we must be pragmatic. Thus one may legitimately attend.

The New Mass may be valid. I don't know enough to say that it is or isn't. But I think it should be clear to all members on this traditional Catholic forum that it is evil and should not be attended.

The Novus Ordo is a blasphemous mockery of the true Mass suited for Masons and sodomites.

Trust the devil then. If the new Mass is not evil, then there is no justification for traditional Catholics to exist. As a witness to many Novus Ordo Masses and many traditional Masses, I know evil when I see it and the Novus Ordo is evil. The Novus Ordo Mass is more evil than rape or murder.

ihsv said of the NO:

"It can absolutely be described as evil."


As measured by what criteria?

By the criteria that Christ Himself gave.  By their fruits you shall know them.  A good tree can not produce evil fruit, and an evil tree cannot produce good fruit.

The fruits of the New Mass are legion.  

Andy,

JPII respected religions that denied Our Lord.  He engaged in prayers publicly with faiths that denied Our Lord at Assisi and other places.

Does that make sense to you?

As for punishment, the novus ordo makes it clear that just about everyone is going to Heaven, even those who deny Christ, so what kind of punishment is that?  

Andy, the mistake you're making is your mixing your post-Vatican II icons with the saints and popes of the pre-Vatican II Catholic Church.  Something written in the 11th century about "heretics" or "schismatics" would hardly be applicable to today.