I did a search here on the forum and couldn't find anything. What should trads make of this Charismatic Renewal. It's a post VII thing isn't it ?

The so-called 'charismatic renewal', within both Novus Ordo and protestant heretic circles, is an aberration. The misapplication of some very poorly understood Biblical texts, combined with the historical FACTS surrounding the alleged 'revival' in 1906 in California, led to confusion, abuse of Scripture as some kind of new 'secret code book', and outright blasphemy, as people have, over the decades, ascribed to Almighty God things which He did not, would not and even CANNOT say, because they contradict His nature.

Would you like to measure the worth of the so-called 'renewal'? Simple; here's the recipe:

Take 1 part Protestant heresy

Combine with the over-zealous 'worship' of marginalized minorities and indigent people in the 'poor section' of a major city.

Add liberal portions of individualism, private interpretation of Scripture, cultural accretions like secular music and dance forms and PLENTY of confusion about the roles of men and women in ministry (though I use that term VERY loosely in this case).

DO NOT, under ANY circuмstances, add, or even REFER TO, any of the writings of the Church Fathers concerning the 'enthusiasts', the Gnostics, the Montanists or any other heretical sects, all of whom pretended to have 'special revelation' of doctrines that not only contradict Holy Scripture, but the dogmatic pronouncements of the Popes of history.

After you have combined all of these elements, add them to the crock (and believe me, it's a TOTAL crock!) that is Vatican II, making sure that ONLY the most liberal members of each Novus Ordo group participate enthusiastically.

Best served at special 'services', 'healing messes' or other meetings that the average NO Catholic wouldn't go to. After all, the idea that the 'renewal' is supposed to usher in some new 'unity' has GOT to be contradicted by the fact that there are now 'insiders' and 'outsiders' when it comes to this new, special 'charism'.

RUN like it's on fire when you hear 'renewal', 'charismatic', 'Pentecostal' or any such nonsense. What you'll usually get is some Novus Ordo bile followed by awful prot-rock 'music' (or worse, the drivel that comes out of the NO groups' 'missalettes'). Then it will all be wrapped up in some pseudo-TV-evangelist 'praying', with lots of tapping people on the forehead while the presbyter babbles nonsensically in total gibberish along with his 'faithful'.

I knew of the Chrismatic Renewal in the late 1970s....but didn't they die out? I never see those dove pins in the "Catholic" giftshops anymore.

I think the whole "Charismatic Renewal" thing is bunk, something brought into The Church from the outside (Protestanism).

Both St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas state that the gift of tongues was given for a time, to help the spread of The Church into other nations during it's early history but that this gift has ceased.

Tractates on the Gospel of John, 32 - St. Augustine
"Who in our day expects that those on whom hands are laid so that they may receive the Holy Spirit should forthwith speak with tongues....These signs were adapted to the times. For there behooved to be that betokening of the Spirit in all tongues to show that the Gospel of God was to run through all the tongues over the earth. But that thing was done for the betokening, and it has passed away."

This much is what I believe and that the "tongues" seen in the Charismatic Renewal are not from God.