Author Topic: changing conciliar church from the inside? (Read 1215 times)

TCat · « **on:** August 21, 2013, 02:11:55 PM »

It is common knowledge among the more serious Catholics that the church has been besieged infiltrated and corrupted by insidious freemasons for centuries. Their main tactic has been and always was to destroy it from within, to join its ranks with the intention of rising through them and then in a coordinated world wide effort, change the essence of Catholic religion to nothing more than the result of liberalistic sentimental modernism where no truth is proclaimed.

The freemasons did this. So why cant genuine Catholics join the conciliar church and change it from the inside as the freemasons did? It might slow the decay, reduce the abuses, and cultivate tradition among the members of the conciliar church ranks who don't know much about how dangerous modernism is to the survival of Catholic religion. The child abuse scandals should be an opportunity to preach that the enemies of the church are within. The lack of people going to mass and inverse vocations should be an opportunity to convince those in the conchurch that tradition should be returned to.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #1 on:** August 21, 2013, 02:14:54 PM »

I've always thought that cleaning up the mess is the mission. Not abandoning ship.

Cantarella · « **Reply #2 on:** August 21, 2013, 02:16:45 PM »

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So why cant genuine Catholics join the conciliar church and change it from the inside as the freemasons did?

Isn't this to allegedly be the "mission" of the FSSP? to change the Church from the inside. However, they are judged as "seudo-trads"

Telesphorus · « **Reply #3 on:** August 21, 2013, 02:17:35 PM »

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The freemasons did this. So why cant genuine Catholics join the conciliar church and change it from the inside as the freemasons did?

The weapons of evil doers are different than the armor that God gives us.

Catholics must not lie.

Notice that the most intolerant and abusive people you will find are typically liberals.

Most of us ended up on forums like this because of being driven away by liberals wielding lies and insults.

Those who pretend to be other than what they really are can infiltrate.

Those who are honest about what they are shown the door.

The resistance masses have informants who report back to the liberal leaders who the resistors are, they are promptly ostracized. There is little tolerance.

Do resistance people drive out the infiltrators and liars from their midst?

Really they should consider it sometimes!

Matto · « **Reply #4 on:** August 21, 2013, 02:21:12 PM »

That's Father Z's plan.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** August 21, 2013, 02:28:09 PM »

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That's Father Z's plan.

Isn't Father Z the character who says SSPX confessions and marriages are invalid?

TCat · « **Reply #6 on:** August 21, 2013, 02:31:54 PM »

I put that question to the floor to gain enlightenment about my own future.
I had wanted to join a monastery, but the only religious houses in this country are conciliar church. One place I was thinking of was the famous "Glenstal abbey" in murroe Co. Limerick.
http://www.glenstal.org/
A little reading of their website will hint as to why they are referred to as "very liberal". One traditionalist priest who was part of the conciliar church told me not to join for that reason. The website has pictures of their ridiculous looking chapel with bright colours. It also has pictures of (eastern) orthodox icons on the wall. I get emails from them and every single one of them advertises yoga and eastern meditation seminars being held in the monastery.
I visited this monastery once and in a gallery they have there were nothing but paintings of a naked man in full explicit detail in a cringe shock situation, it was supposed to be St Paul receiving the vision ( I don't understand why they would have pictures like this in an all male monastery, or why he was naked in the painting)
They only say novus ordo, but the divine office is in latin.

This is the only monastic place I could join as far as I know.

There is another monastery that does the TLM but they wont take you if you got a record or other disadvantages. Their website is http://cenacleosb.org/vocations/
This is what it says about vocations:

"If a man brings with him a cheerful, flexible disposition and the ability to adapt to changes in routine, he will do well with us. If, on the other hand, he is rigid, legalistic, all bound up in personal patterns of piety, and incapable of adapting himself to the exigencies of a new foundation, he will not thrive with us. It goes without saying that anyone with a disposition that is chronically critical, judgmental, or arrogant is unfit for monastic life."

Obviously they are fiercely pro-Vatican 2.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** August 21, 2013, 02:32:38 PM »

You would be crazy to join an NO monastery.

You can always become an eremite.

TCat · « **Reply #8 on:** August 21, 2013, 02:43:38 PM »

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You would be crazy to join an NO monastery.

You can always become an eremite.

Are we not supposed to try and fix the church?

(Correction: Glenstal is the only place that would accept someone from my background featuring crime and doctors)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #9 on:** August 21, 2013, 02:45:17 PM »

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Are we not supposed to try and fix the church?

Of course. If you think you can do that by living in a community of liberal religious you're not thinking clearly.

Intolerance to error has to be shown. That is the only way to cause people to abandon their errors.

Once you decide to join up with people like that you are agreeing to tolerate their errors, or you won't be there long.

Matto · « **Reply #10 on:** August 21, 2013, 02:53:31 PM »

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Isn't Father Z the character who says SSPX confessions and marriages are invalid?

Father Z is a neocon. Like most neocons, he holds the official position that SSPX confessions and marriages are invalid, or at least I think he does.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #11 on:** August 21, 2013, 03:14:08 PM »

Our job as Catholics is to work with fear and trembling for our own salvation and to help in the salvation of our wife and children. And to pray much.

Pretending to be something else and infiltrating an organization would be futile because the destroyers were not brilliant men but made men - others did the ground work ahead of them.

There is also an old but wise adage: The tools of the devil do not work against the devil.

Besides, is the conciliar church the Catholic Church?

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #12 on:** August 21, 2013, 03:19:47 PM »

Fr Z is a very entertaining read at times but think of him as a baby's pacifier.

Traditional Catholics do not like having pacifiers put in their mouth to keep them quiet. We like, no, love Truth!

Stubborn · « **Reply #13 on:** August 21, 2013, 04:42:15 PM »

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So why cant genuine Catholics join the conciliar church and change it from the inside as the freemasons did?

Always remember that genuine Catholics, stronger in the faith than this generation - and with the best of intentions became conciliarists when they joined the NO 50 years ago, - look at what it did to popes ie kissing Koran, Assisi, etc. ad nausem - this is what the conciliar Church does to those who think they can join it for noble reasons like yours.

I remember a NOer on FE arguing that he knew trad priests who were recently ordained in the NO after 5 years or whatever of NO seminary. He said (he was full of cr@p up to his eyeballs) they remained trad through it all and planned to change things "from within" like some sort of Trojan Horse of something - which of course, is impossible and even a sin to even attempt to remain untouched through such training and environment and etc.

Just gotta remember that fixing it like the way you are thinking can never work, the NO destroys by design and is well equipped to automatically destroy everything and anything that attempts to fight it from within, and often times even from without. Best to avoid the evil thing completely.

Stubborn · « **Reply #14 on:** August 21, 2013, 04:45:00 PM »

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Fr Z is a very entertaining read at times but think of him as a baby's pacifier.

Traditional Catholics do not like having pacifiers put in their mouth to keep them quiet. We like, no, love Truth!

Fr. Z will get vomited out re: Apoc 3:16 if he remains a two faced spineless shepherd. Cannot take him blowing hot and cold out of both sides of his mouth.