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Offline Ladislaus

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Challenge for SVs
« on: March 04, 2024, 11:52:40 AM »
So, as Father Cekada has said, most SVs have abandoned the position that Roncalli, Montini, et al. had "fallen" from the papacy, but instead believe that they were never popes to begin with.

What is the evidence that Roncalli and Montini were manifest heretics before their respective "elections"?

Roncalli was a Cardinal in good standing and Montini an Archbishop in good standing under Pius XII.  Sure, Roncalli was "suspect" of Modernism, but that suspicion was not enough to prevent him from being made a Cardinal by Pius XII.
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Challenge for SVs
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2024, 01:00:21 PM »
I don't think there's sufficient evidence to say Roncalli was an antipope. 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Challenge for SVs
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2024, 01:36:08 PM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan on March 04, 2024, 01:00:21 PM
I don't think there's sufficient evidence to say Roncalli was an antipope.

How about for Montini?  I think there's even less evidence that Montini was a manifest heretic prior to his election.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Challenge for SVs
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2024, 01:39:17 PM »
Or, alternatively, do some of you reject Father Cekada's position that they were manifest heretics prior to their election?
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Offline Mr G

Re: Challenge for SVs
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2024, 01:56:29 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 04, 2024, 11:52:40 AM
So, as Father Cekada has said, most SVs have abandoned the position that Roncalli, Montini, et al. had "fallen" from the papacy, but instead believe that they were never popes to begin with.

What is the evidence that Roncalli and Montini were manifest heretics before their respective "elections"?

Roncalli was a Cardinal in good standing and Montini an Archbishop in good standing under Pius XII.  Sure, Roncalli was "suspect" of Modernism, but that suspicion was not enough to prevent him from being made a Cardinal by Pius XII.
Another way to word it, is "When was the heresy manifested publicly and pertinaciously?"  
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