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Offline poche

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CDF Sets the Bishop Straight
« on: September 04, 2015, 01:28:33 AM »
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  • The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has ruled that a woman who identifies herself as transgendered is not permitted to serve as a baptismal sponsor, Bishop Rafael Zornoza Boy of Cádiz and Ceuta (Spain) said in a statement.

    The bishop originally ruled that a 21-year-old woman who identifies herself as a man was not allowed to serve as her nephew’s godparent. The woman has not yet undergone a sex-change operation, according to a Spanish media report.

    Less than two weeks later, the prelate reversed his decision and permitted the woman to serve as a godparent, a local newspaper reported.

    In his new statement, the bishop said he referred the case to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In its response, the Congregation, citing Canon 874, stated that the person objectively does not meet the requirements of being a godfather or godmother.

    Canon 874 states that the baptismal sponsor “must be suitable for this role” and must live “a life of faith which befits the role to be undertaken.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=26022

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    CDF Sets the Bishop Straight
    « Reply #1 on: September 04, 2015, 06:55:38 AM »
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  • The Conciliar sect has come a long way in regards to divorce and remarriage and to homosexual couples.  I guess it will take a while yet to fully come around on this trans-gendered stuff.  I have no doubt, however, that they will do so.

    If only this person wanted to join a Monastery under Cardinal Burke...


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    « Reply #2 on: September 04, 2015, 06:59:28 AM »
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    The Conciliar sect has come a long way in regards to divorce and remarriage and to homosexual couples.  I guess it will take a while yet to fully come around on this trans-gendered stuff.  I have no doubt, however, that they will do so.

    If only this person wanted to join a Monastery under Cardinal Burke...


    Yes, note the reason why this was not allowed.  Because a godfather needs to be a man.  Anyone want to guess on what kind of response there would have been if it were an openly homosexual male?

    Edit:  Sorry, I don't think the OP report goes into it.  Here's another:

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2015/09/vatican-transsexuals-cannot-be-godparents/
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    « Reply #3 on: September 04, 2015, 04:16:55 PM »
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  • But once she is surgically converted to a he, "he" will be able to be a godfather no doubt.

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    « Reply #4 on: September 04, 2015, 05:49:48 PM »
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  • Not a single entity in this story was set "straight".


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    « Reply #5 on: September 04, 2015, 11:48:05 PM »
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    But once she is surgically converted to a he, "he" will be able to be a godfather no doubt.

    No, those who have undergone this surgury are disqualified from being godparents  

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    « Reply #6 on: September 05, 2015, 01:41:22 AM »
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    There would have to be some motive OTHER than a reputable one for any transexual to want to be a godparent in the first place.  

    Not to mention the question of why any parents would even consider asking a transexual person to be their child's godparent!  

    The Church has always had norms for whether someone is qualified, and being a practicing Catholic has been question #1.  It's reassuring to see this hasn't changed.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 05, 2015, 12:11:27 PM »
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    But once she is surgically converted to a he, "he" will be able to be a godfather no doubt.

    No, those who have undergone this surgury are disqualified from being godparents  


    Thanks, I did not know that.  I wonder how a priest would find out?  Is it obvious?  I've never met anyone who had a sex change operation so I don't know.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 05, 2015, 12:30:34 PM »
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    But once she is surgically converted to a he, "he" will be able to be a godfather no doubt.

    No, those who have undergone this surgury are disqualified from being godparents  


    Thanks, I did not know that.  I wonder how a priest would find out?  Is it obvious?  I've never met anyone who had a sex change operation so I don't know.


    My experience is there is something definitely "off".
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    « Reply #9 on: September 05, 2015, 11:35:04 PM »
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    But once she is surgically converted to a he, "he" will be able to be a godfather no doubt.

    No, those who have undergone this surgury are disqualified from being godparents  


    Thanks, I did not know that.  I wonder how a priest would find out?  Is it obvious?  I've never met anyone who had a sex change operation so I don't know.


    He could study what the Code of Canon Law has to say;

    Can.  874 §1. To be permitted to take on the function of sponsor a person must:

    1/ be designated by the one to be baptized, by the parents or the person who takes their place, or in their absence by the pastor or minister and have the aptitude and intention of fulfilling this function;

    2/ have completed the sixteenth year of age, unless the diocesan bishop has established another age, or the pastor or minister has granted an exception for a just cause;

    3/ be a Catholic who has been confirmed and has already received the most holy sacrament of the Eucharist and who leads a life of faith in keeping with the function to be taken on;

    4/ not be bound by any canonical penalty legitimately imposed or declared;

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2Y.HTM

     

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