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CDF reportedly judges Medjugorje apparitions false
« on: June 25, 2015, 07:17:40 PM »
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    Rome, Italy, Jun 25, 2015 / 12:13 pm (CNA).- If reports in Italian media outlets are to be believed, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith met June 24 to discuss the alleged Marian apparitions in Medjugorje, reaching the conclusion that they are inauthentic, but recognizing the site as a place of prayer.

    On Thursday, the Vatican watcher Gianluca Barile wrote that “for the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, in fact, the 'apparitions' do not have any supernatural character; therefore it is forbidden to the faithful to participate in the 'ecstasy' of the six 'seers', and the latter are prohibited from divulging the texts of the messages they supposedly receive from the Madonna.”

    According to Barile, the negative judgement regarding the apparitions is based on inconsistent theological messages; the visionaries' economic interests in the site; and their disobedience to the local bishop.

    However, the Vatican has not confirmed the reports – which have also appeared in Il Giornale – that this month's meeting of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith discussed Medjugorje.

    According to the reports, the congregation did acknowledge Medjugorje as a place of prayer and devotion that can be visited by pilgrims for prayer, though without contacting the supposed visionaries or partcipating in their 'apparitions'.

    The alleged apparitions originally began June 24, 1981, when six children in Medjugorje, a town in what is now Bosnia and Herzegovina, began to experience phenomena which they have claimed to be apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

    According to these six “seers,” the apparitions contained a message of peace for the world, a call to conversion, prayer and fasting, as well as certain secrets surrounding events to be fulfilled in the future.

    These apparitions are said to have continued almost daily since their first occurrence, with three of the original six children – who are now young adults – continuing to receive apparitions every afternoon because not all of the “secrets” intended for them have been revealed.

    Since their beginning, the alleged apparitions have been a source of both controversy and conversion, with many flocking to the city for pilgrimage and prayer, and some claiming to have experienced miracles at the site, while many others claim the visions are non-credible.

    In April 1991, the bishops of the former Yugoslavia determined that “on the basis of the research that has been done, it is not possible to state that there were apparitions or supernatural revelations.”

    On the basis of those findings the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith directed in October 2013 that clerics and the faithful “are not permitted to participate in meetings, conferences or public celebrations during which the credibility of such 'apparitions' would be taken for granted.”

    In January 2014, a Vatican commission completed an investigation into the supposed apparitions' doctrinal and disciplinary aspects, and was to have submitted its findings to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

    When the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith will have analyzed the commission's findings, it will finalize a docuмent on Medjugorge, which will be submitted to the Pope, who will make a final decision.

    Pope Francis visited Bosnia and Herzegovina earlier this month, but declined to stop at Medjugorje during his trip. During his return flight to Rome, he indicated that the process of investigation in the apparitions was nearly complete.


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    CDF reportedly judges Medjugorje apparitions false
    « Reply #1 on: June 25, 2015, 10:26:56 PM »
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  • It looks like someone is still leaking information out to the media.
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    CDF reportedly judges Medjugorje apparitions false
    « Reply #2 on: June 26, 2015, 06:43:42 AM »
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  • Well, you have to give them credit where credit is due; they got this one right at least.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 26, 2015, 10:09:37 PM »
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    Since their beginning, the alleged apparitions have been a source of both controversy and conversion,.....

    and revenue................

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    CDF reportedly judges Medjugorje apparitions false
    « Reply #4 on: June 27, 2015, 12:35:51 AM »
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    There was a bishop from Mostar who went to Rome as an emissary representing the delegation of bishops in the Mostar region, and asked for help, appealing to then Cardinal Ratzinger (before JPII died), asking for Rome to discipline the wayward bishops and priests who kept hyping up the MEDGE tourism trap, and Ratzinger told him at the time that he agreed that it wasn't right and that the apparitions were highly dubious and questionable, HOWEVER, he declined to take any action, telling the good bishop to go deal with the problem himself.  

    I knew a woman who went on tour there and showed me her rosary that she said had "turned to gold" during her trip to MEDGEville.  I held it in my hands, and recognized it as appearing just as other rosaries I had had when the chrome or silver plating had worn off exposing the brass base metal core in the wires that go through the beads.  I asked her if she had taken it to a Jєωeler to have him test it to see if it is really "gold" now.  She replied, "Oh, NO!  I would not DARE to question our Lady's miracle."  

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    « Reply #5 on: June 27, 2015, 04:44:38 AM »
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  • Directly contradicting a report that circulated widely in the Italian media yesterday, a leading Vatican journalist has reported that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has not reached a decision regarding the authenticity of alleged Marian apparitions at Medjugorje.

    Andrea Tornielli of La Stampa reports that the CDF has not yet met to discuss the report on Medjugorje that was prepared by a special papal commission chaired by Cardinal Camillo Ruini.

    Citing “authoritative Congregation sources,” Tornielli reports that the Medjugorje issue was not discussed at the most recent feria quarta meeting of the prelates who are members of the CDF, and the next such meeting will not be scheduled until the fall—possibly after the October meeting of the Synod of Bishops.

    Another Vatican journalist, Gianluca Batile, had reported that the feria quarta was held on June 24, that the prelates weighed the report from Cardinal Ruini’s commission, and that the CDF reached a negative verdict on Medjugorje, which would be sent to Pope Francis for his final decision.

    The timing of the feria quarta has been a subject of confusing reports. Earlier this month, Pope Francis had seemed to indicate that the meeting may already have taken place—although the Pontiff said that he was not sure of the timing. Then Father Federico Lombardi, the director of the Vatican press office, told reporters that he did not expect a decision from the CDF for “a few months.”

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    CDF reportedly judges Medjugorje apparitions false
    « Reply #6 on: June 28, 2015, 03:30:38 PM »
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    Since their beginning, the alleged apparitions have been a source of both controversy and conversion,.....

    and revenue................


     
    Quote from: Robert Moynihan-I the V Letters

    June 25, 2015, Thursday — Negative Judgment on the Apparitions in Medjugorge?

     
    An Italian journalist is claiming that a Vatican office yesterday rejected the authenticity of the Medjugorge apparitions of the Virgin Mary (link).

    Italian Vaticanist Gianluca Barile's report cites no named sources.

    No official statement has been made by the Vatican.

    However, this report is already being circulated by email on the internet.

    And this is causing concern and confusion to many around the world who believed that what was taking place at Medjugorge was good and was bearing good spiritual fruit. Millions of pilgrims have visited Medjugorge since the apparitions began in 1981.

    Though Barile cites no sources, it seems clear that he wrote his report based on information provided by someone who was present at the Vatican meeting yesterday to decide the case.

    Barile is reporting that yesterday, June 24, Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, Prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith, presided over a Plenary Assembly of the Congregation to weigh a special report on the apparitions prepared over the past several years upon the specific request of Pope Benedict XVI. This meeting did occur.

    Barile says the meeting concluded with a decision by the Congregation that the alleged apparitions and messages of the Madonna to the six "seers" of this small town in Bosnia-Herzegovina, who claim to have been receiving regular daily messages from the "Lady" for 34 years -- beginning on June 24 in 1981 -- are not authentic, do not have a supernatural cause.

    "Why so much severity by the Vatican?" Barile asks. "First, for the inconsistency of the theological message; then because of the economic interests of the 'seers' who have invested in hotels and travel agencies."

    He says the Vatican concluded that "true visionaries had never made financial gain on their own appearances."

    However, the author notes that the "last word" still is left to Pope Francis.

    Pope Francis still must issue a special decree on Medjugorge, so the matter will not be settled until that happens.

    However, on June 6, Francis told reporters that the decision of the Congregation "will be communicated" when it is taken, suggesting that he would not over-rule the Congregation's decision.

    Thus, Barile writes, "it is difficult to think that the Pope might change the conclusions of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith."

    What would then happen to Medjugorge?

     

    Medjugorge can still be a special “place of prayer" and pilgrimages to Medjugorje will not be forbidden, but they must not center on the alleged apparitions.
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