Author Topic: Catholics leaving for "Orthodoxy" Since Vat. 2 (Read 966 times)

curiouscatholic23 · « **on:** October 19, 2011, 09:23:20 PM »

Does anyone have any idea how many catholics have gone to the eastern schismatics since vatican 2? While I was novus ordo learning about Vatican 2, the idea of checking out the eastern schismatics always floated in my head. Thank God I learned about the marian apparitions and come to love the papacy (when a true pope is in the office). Does anybody personally know novus ordites who have abandoned the true religion for "orthodoxy?"

Gregory I · « **Reply #1 on:** October 20, 2011, 12:09:29 AM »

I did briefly but was never formally received. However, I attended the Divine Liturgy and then the Motu Mass afterward with my wife.

The whole thing is that you feel like you are escaping the sometimes unbearable feeling of always having to FIGHT. At least the Orthodox (or so I thought) were traditional, they went by the fathers like nobody else, and weren't out compromising left and right.

Found out that was a lie after a few months.

The Eastern Schismatics also are not able to EXPLAIN the great Eastern Saints who had a genuine love for the Papacy and defended the use of Filioque. Saints Like St. Maximus the Confessor. They just tryo to explain it AWAY...

Listen to what he says here on the Filioque:

Maximus the Confessor wrote a letter in defence of the expression used by the Pope. The words with which Saint Maximus the Confessor (c. 580 – 13 August 662) declared that it was wrong to condemn the Roman use of Filioque are as follows:

"They [the Romans] have produced the unanimous evidence of the Latin Fathers, and also of Cyril of Alexandria, from the study he made of the gospel of St John. On the basis of these texts, they have shown that they have not made the Son the cause of the Spirit – they know in fact that the Father is the only cause of the Son and the Spirit, the one by begetting and the other by procession –but that they have manifested the procession through him and have thus shown the unity and identity of the essence. They [the Romans] have therefore been accused of precisely those things of which it would be wrong to accuse them, whereas the former [the Byzantines] have been accused of those things it has been quite correct to accuse them [Monothelitism]."[

Again on the Papacy:

"How much more in the case of the clergy and Church of the Romans, which from old until now presides over all the churches which are under the sun? Having surely received this canonically, as well as from councils and the apostles, as from the princes of the latter (Peter and Paul), and being numbered in their company, she is subject to no writings or issues in synodical docuмents, on account of the eminence of her pontificate .....even as in all these things all are equally subject to her (the Church of Rome) according to sacerodotal law. And so when, without fear, but with all holy and becoming confidence, those ministers (the popes) are of the truly firmand immovable rock, that is of the most great and Apostolic Church of Rome." (in J.B. Mansi, ed. Amplissima Collectio Conciliorum, vol. 10)

Orthodoxy seems great at first blush, but the longer you stare, the more she blushes.

I will content myself with a Virginal bride. The Roman catholic Church, the sole Church of Christ.

Anna1959 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 20, 2011, 12:38:42 PM »

Quote from: Gregory I

I did briefly but was never formally received. However, I attended the Divine Liturgy and then the Motu Mass afterward with my wife.

The whole thing is that you feel like you are escaping the sometimes unbearable feeling of always having to FIGHT. At least the Orthodox (or so I thought) were traditional, they went by the fathers like nobody else, and weren't out compromising left and right.

Found out that was a lie after a few months.

(excerpt deleted for brevity)

I will content myself with a Virginal bride. The Roman catholic Church, the sole Church of Christ.

ALL of the above can be said for me too. I actually did investigate them during my long years of home-aloneness...I thought that if this period of interregnum was lasting THIS long, that maybe the true church was "elsewhere". That is what a long period of home-aloneness can do to you.

Interestingly, it was WHILE I was considering the EO that I stumbled upon the book, "The Resurrection of the Roman Catholic Church", which in one book answered all my questions.

Tridentine MT · « **Reply #3 on:** July 26, 2019, 07:08:58 AM »

This article alone shows the effects that it is having on a once-Catholic country like Malta.

Not mentioned in the above-referenced article, the Novus Ordo Catholic Church has already 'given' important churches in Valletta to the Romanian Orthodox, Serbian Orthodox, and African Copts (under the Egyptian 'Pope'). The irony is that the Orthodox Church (Greek) has its own church in Valletta … but seems it's not enough these days ...