Author Topic: Catholic Tradition vs Vatican II (Read 28430 times)

CampeadorShin · « **Reply #5 on:** November 17, 2006, 05:02:31 PM »

Its close to saying, "you don't have to be Catholic to go to Heaven" or it can also be interpretted as "you don't have to help convert people anymore".

No one can be FORCED to convert! Where do you get that idea student?

student · « **Reply #6 on:** November 18, 2006, 01:43:11 PM »

I know no one can be forced. I was saying that I thought that all the council was saying was that no one can be forced. Therefore, no error. Right?

The very phrasing of your response makes me suspicious of SSPX/sede claims that V2 is in error: you said that it "could be interpreted" to be teaching error. But anything can be interpreted to be teaching error, even the Bible. We have to go with what it's saying, and at least at this point, I don't see any error. It seems to be saying that one can't be forced to convert, which is of course true.

What liberals bent on the destruction of the Church do with the statement does not touch its truth or falsity.

CampeadorShin · « **Reply #7 on:** November 18, 2006, 03:29:58 PM »

Actually the SSPX seems to say "Hey, Rome! Can you please reword the docuмents so that they CAN'T be misinterpreted as something heretical? Or at least put together an official interpretation that doesn't allow room for heresy?"

The sedevacantists usually say "heretical!", I think...

But I think you should ask gladius about sedevacantism's position.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #8 on:** November 21, 2006, 05:57:32 PM »

Quote from: student

I know no one can be forced. I was saying that I thought that all the council was saying was that no one can be forced. Therefore, no error. Right?...

...It seems to be saying that one can't be forced to convert, which is of course true.

It says far more, although since I must get ready to travel tomorrow for the big holiday - happy Thanksgiving early, btw - I cannot provide the necessary quotes at the moment. I will do so over the weekend, or after I return.

Yes, one cannot be forced to convert - as the use of force renders any action not truly human (as it violates the freedom of the will).

Clodovicus · « **Reply #9 on:** April 14, 2007, 02:40:22 PM »