Author Topic: Catholic Match: Interesting Statistics (Read 4310 times)

lefebvre_fan · « **on:** December 11, 2012, 03:08:30 PM »

So I've been playing around with the search feature on Catholic Match, and I've come across some interesting statistics.

For the search criteria:

Gender: Man
Age: 19 to 28
Liturgical Style: Traditional Latin Mass

There are 907 results.

If I add the criterion:

Accepts (at least): All Church teachings

I get 731 results.

If I add:

Political Views: Very Conservative

I get 153 results.

If I change this to:

Political Views: Conservative or Very Conservative

I get 450 results.

The women aren't much better.

For the criteria:

Gender: Woman
Age: 19 to 28
Liturgical Style: Traditional Latin Mass

There are 729 results.

If I add the criterion:

Accepts (at least): All Church teachings

I get 601 results.

If I add:

Political Views: Very Conservative

I get 113 results.

If I change this to:

Political Views: Conservative or Very Conservative

I still only get 318 results.

I know this isn't scientific, but would you not agree that this is indicative of a wider problem in the traditional Catholic community? Are our children not being formed properly, or is this just "normal" youthful rebelliousness on display?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** December 11, 2012, 03:15:21 PM »

Does everyone have to answer the political question, or can that be left blank?

Lots of people are apolitical.

Not surprising there are fewer trad women than trad men.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #2 on:** December 11, 2012, 03:16:25 PM »

You probably have a better chance on cathinfo lefebvre fan, than on Catholic Match.

But I keep scaring the women away!

Renzo · « **Reply #3 on:** December 11, 2012, 03:45:31 PM »

They say, women pretty much break Democrat in every election. The only group that consistently breaks Republican in every election is White Christian Men over 30.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** December 11, 2012, 03:48:16 PM »

So are young trad women voting for Obama? Is that the question?

If they're listening to garbage pop music, does it make a difference?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** December 11, 2012, 03:48:57 PM »

Quote from: Renzo

They say, women pretty much break Democrat in every election. The only group that consistently breaks Republican in every election is White Christian Men over 30.

We're talking about women who attend Latin mass.

lefebvre_fan · « **Reply #6 on:** December 11, 2012, 05:07:28 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Does everyone have to answer the political question, or can that be left blank?

Good question. As it turns out, everyone does have to answer the question. The answers are:

Conservative
Liberal
Moderate
Very Conservative
Very Liberal
Other
Get to know me first

Now, if I take the men first, of those between the ages of 19 and 28 (I use this sample, partly because of the age group I'm interested in, and partly because extending the age gives '1000+ results' which doesn't give me an accurate number for statistical purposes) who answered "All Church teachings" to the question Accepts (at least):

80 are "Other"
263 must be "Get to know me first," because they don't fall into any of the other categories

With the women, given the same age group and answering "All Church teachings":

44 are "Other"
95 are "Get to know me first"

As much as I'd like to think that some of them are just shy real conservatives, the reality is that most of them probably aren't, especially if the sample of those who actually stated their political persuasion are representative of the whole. And even if they were all "Very Conservative", it would at least display a certain cowardice on their part.

Quote from: Telesphorus

Lots of people are apolitical.

I think I know what you're getting at, and I agree. I myself don't participate at all in politics. Still, I think there's an important distinction to be made between not being active in the political process, and not having any political views, which is what the question asks. As Catholics, we inevitably have political views, or at least we ought to. We ought to support those people and policies that build up the Social Kingship of Christ, and oppose those that seek to tear it down. Of course, the mode of this support doesn't have to be active participation in politics (indeed, for the majority of people, it ideally isn't), but it at least ought to be an interior consent to those things which build up Christ's kingdom on earth, and an interior opposition to those things which do not.

Quote from: Telesphorus

Not surprising there are fewer trad women than trad men.

True, I didn't find it that surprising either. But what I did find surprising was that, as a fraction of those sampled from each sex, the men were only marginally better than the women. The percentage of those who met all three criteria (Traditional Latin Mass, All Church teachings, Very Conservative) was only slightly larger for men than for women (slightly over .01%). Perhaps more of the "Get to know me first" among the men than among the women are actually true conservatives in disguise. Actually, that's probably quite likely, especially when you consider the fact that you've got a bunch of sex-starved young men desperate for a wife and probably willing to compromise on their moral values, at least a little bit, in order to get one. (Not that I'll be the one to cast the first stone...)

lefebvre_fan · « **Reply #7 on:** December 11, 2012, 05:08:41 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

You probably have a better chance on cathinfo lefebvre fan, than on Catholic Match.

But I keep scaring the women away!

Come now, don't be so hard on yourself! Actually, I think I've pretty much come to the conclusion that it's really not your fault, at least 9 times out of 10. Actually, I've even come to agree with you on race (yes, even after that emotional outburst before). I came across a quote from Oscar Wilde not too long ago, and given my recent breakup with a non-white girl, partly over miscommunication, it seems to ring very true to me:

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“Ultimately the bond of all companionship, whether in marriage or in friendship, is conversation, and conversation must have a common basis, and between two people of widely different culture the only common basis possible is the lowest level.”

Which is not to say that I judge those who choose to marry a non-white girl, or that I myself would never marry a non-white girl, but for now, at least, I think I'm steering clear of the non-white women. Just too many complications.

Anyway, this thread isn't about race, and I certainly don't want it to turn into one (there's already a thread for that), so I'll leave it at that.

My point is, it really does seem to be women today. It's not just you. The vast majority of them are terribly infected by feminism, even the 'traditional' ones. It's probably a just curse on mankind for our many sins (mine included).

Telesphorus · « **Reply #8 on:** December 11, 2012, 05:18:16 PM »

Why don't you give the complete breakdown?

For the men you have 343 that you don't know their views, and 450 who are conservative or very conservative. So they may be hiding their views.

I'd like to know what percentage of women say they are liberal. I'm betting a lot of them say "moderate."

The fundamental problem, I think, is that Trads are not inculcating historical awareness in a correct or convincing way.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #9 on:** December 11, 2012, 05:21:04 PM »

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Ultimately the bond of all companionship, whether in marriage or in friendship, is conversation

There are more important things than conversation. A man and woman might not be able to comprehend each other's language but could exhibit all the virtues in support of one another.

lefebvre_fan · « **Reply #10 on:** December 11, 2012, 05:26:33 PM »

Actually, with regard to the apolitical thing, perhaps you were on to something else that I didn't realize at the time. It's probably true that a lot of people don't consider themselves to have 'political views', even if they do.

Even so, considering that of our samples (i.e. those who list their 'liturgical preference' as Traditional Latin Mass):

55% of men and 54% of women listed their political views as something other than "Very Conservative" or "Other"

It seems that we still have a problem...

lefebvre_fan · « **Reply #11 on:** December 11, 2012, 05:52:49 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Why don't you give the complete breakdown?

Sure.

Men

Liturgical Preference: Traditional Latin Mass; Age: 19-28

Total: 907

Accept all Church teachings: 731
Accept some or most Church teachings: 176

Conservative: 342
Moderate: 100
Very Liberal: 13
Liberal: 41
Very Conservative: 163
Other: 97
Get to know me first: 151

Liturgical Preference: Traditional Latin Mass; Age: 19-28; Accept all Church teachings

Total: 731

Conservative: 297
Moderate: 62
Very Liberal: 7
Liberal: 22
Very Conservative: 153
Other: 80
Get to know me first: 110

Women

Liturgical Preference: Traditional Latin Mass; Age: 19-28

Total: 729

Accept all Church teachings: 601
Accept some or most Church teachings: 128

Conservative: 305
Moderate: 81
Very Liberal: 6
Liberal: 32
Very Conservative: 124
Other: 57
Get to know me first: 124

Liturgical Preference: Traditional Latin Mass; Age: 19-28; Accept all Church teachings

Total: 601

Conservative: 275
Moderate: 58
Very Liberal: 4
Liberal: 12
Very Conservative: 113
Other: 44
Get to know me first: 95

I suppose you must also account for a few here or there who choose Traditional Latin Mass as their "Liturgical Preference" without actually understanding what that means.

Well, that's all the numbers. Make of them what you will. I suppose this was all entirely pointless, and didn't teach us anything we didn't already know. Even so, I was shocked when I first looked at the numbers for Catholic women. I mean, I had seen a few liberal 'trads' here and there when browsing through profiles, and didn't think much of it at the time. But now I see that sadly, they weren't just the odd exception.

And I think I've also come to the conclusion that looking for a wife on Catholic Match is pretty much a waste of time (notwithstanding Matthew's lucky find).

Telesphorus · « **Reply #12 on:** December 11, 2012, 06:03:10 PM »

Many people might be trying to hold back information, or trying not to seem "too extreme."

The unfortunate reality is that "conservative" to most people can mean anything.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #13 on:** December 12, 2012, 06:02:12 AM »

This post reminds me of a post I read elsewhere that I think goes to the heart of the problem Tradition is facing:

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"A friend of mine and his wife are both very religious/conservative people. They have three daughters who are fairly strident liberal/feminists. How? They all came back from college transformed."[/size]

the post was answered thus:

"Which once again shows how utterly clueless religious conservatives are in transmitting their faith and values to the next generation.

I’m in my early 30s and grew up in a conservative Catholic parish where a half-dozen children to a family was common (but not common for the wider culture in the 80s).

I remember back in the day, my friends’ and acquaintances’ parents were crowing about how they were going forth and multiplying while the secularists aborted and contracepted themselves out of existence.

Yet this was a upper-middle class community where all the privileged daughters were not at all prepared for their own marriage and family. They were sent to college on daddy’s dime or got lucrative scholarships with family connections.

I’ve been following most of my childhood friends/classmates on Facebook and not a single one is following the mold of a traditional religious family with large numbers of children.

A huge percentage of both the boys and girls I grew up with are still single and childless in their 30s. The ones that do have children typically have 1 or two within a dual-career, dual-income household."

When you see a young woman in her early 20s, seemingly very devout, cancel her wedding at the last minute, so that she has to try to sell a $10,000 reception, you begin to understand there's a very fundamental problem in the way the priests and families are advising these young women, and how they're being raised.

Tiffany · « **Reply #14 on:** December 12, 2012, 07:09:26 AM »

I looked on a Catholic singles site a number of years ago. Most of the men wanted a well educated (academically) woman that was ready to be a stay at home mother, was athletic, volunteered. They seemed to embrace feminism too but like I've seen in trad sermons they picked only a part of feminism to reject.

I see this all the time with homeschooling mothers, often they were professionals and they did not have children until they were in their late 20s or 30s.

When my son was little I started to notice I would be 10 -15 years younger than the other parents, and the other parents oldest child was his age. When I have seen a woman my age with the same age or older child in a church, almost always she had a child out of wedlock. You see one child that is a few years older, then 2 younger kids close in age, when I say I am single she says how she was single blah blah.

When I went on FB I saw the same thing, girls I attended college with had only recently started to have children in their 30s. The weird thing is I had no concept of getting married and having children. They all came from two parent families and wanted marriage and children.

I don't see white women marrying and having children in their early 20s. I don't see men expecting it either.. they want well educated women like finished a graduate/professional school. The ones who did have children young had them out of wedlock. The only place I've seen them as a group marry and have children young is in the plain community.