Never in history has there been such a Pope, who by his actions, words and teaching, has thrown the whole Church into confusion. There have been bad and immoral Popes like John XII, and Alexander VI, there have been mad Popes, like Urban VI, there have been severe and unbalanced reforming Popes like Paul IV, and there have been pleasure loving Popes like Leo X, but none of them have spread such alarm throughout the Catholic Church. Such days have never been seen since the days of the Arian heresy, and yet these days are far, far worse.The hermits go on to lament the silence of the bishops, stating:
A terrible darkness has spread over the world and the Church. Modernism, Secularism, Humanism, and Scientism are eroding the ancient Truths of Faith; and aided by the poisonous ideology of Evolution, which is no science at all, have convinced many in the Church that Man is getting better all the time. Thus ignoring the fact that the last century has seen tyrants and wars which eclipse all others in recorded history, for aided by science the evils of war and tyranny have been magnified beyond all imagining, and that terrifying magnification is ever increasing, and evil is truly unrestrained.
Tragically the head of the Church on Earth, Pope Francis, by his utterances, his behaviour, his teaching and his actions, has shown himself to be indeed a great heretic. He has proclaimed that no-one goes to Hell, he has undermined the indissolubility of marriage, he has approved of couples living together, he has behaved in an ambiguous fashion towards ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, and received warmly, not only ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ couples, but a transgender person and his fiancé and pro-abortion advocates. Pope Francis has said that the death penalty is inadmissible, and finally, in outright contradiction to the First Commandment, has said that God has willed all religions, and that this must be taught throughout the Church in her seminaries, her universities, and her schools.
In all this, silence has enveloped the bishops. Unable or unwilling to confront the successor of Peter; either through human respect, fear of schism, or through the thought of being cast out of their dioceses by the Pope, they have been reduced to a state of helplessness. Integrity has collapsed, fortitude has given way to cowardice and the flock are left, not only to the wolves, but to ravening lions, and every other conceivable violent personification of heresy and untruth . The bishops have forgotten how to teach , are powerless to correct, and seem unable to prevent the cruel invasion of the LGBT propaganda machine into Catholic schools, and nowhere is this more evident than in Britain.Some people who have commented on Donnelly’s post have said that Bishop Brian McGee (https://www.rcdai.org.uk/bishop/) had no choice but to excommunicate the hermits because their “declaration” stated they were withdrawing from the pope. Others have stated the support the hermits’ “declaration.”
Popes must always be perfect in doctrine and dogma or SEDEVACANTISM occurs. O what Vatican I has created.
What are you talking about? That's a total straw man against sedevacantism. Nobody says that Popes must be perfect doctrinally. Nor does any of this have anything to do with Vatican I.
Sedevacantists merely hold ... as all Catholic theologians have always held ... that the Church's Magisterium and Universal Discipline cannot fail.
And, finally, there's no indication in the Declaration that they are even sedevacantists. They merely say that they are withdrawing from him ... almost along the lines of Father Chazal's sede-impoundism.
You mean Fr. Chazal's R&R.
Nobody says that Popes must be perfect doctrinally.As a pure technicality, this is the case. However, a lot of Sedes get really close to that by insisting that all papal teaching has to be safe to follow at all times.
As a pure technicality, this is the case. However, a lot of Sedes get really close to that by insisting that all papal teaching has to be safe to follow at all times.
Though I think your position is more nuanced, probably closer to that of the Dimonds in terms of how "off" you think a legitimate pope can be.
... God has given the Holy Father a kind of infallibility distinct from the charism of doctrinal infallibility in the strict sense. He has so constructed and ordered the Church that those who follow the directives given to the entire kingdom of God on earth will never be brought into the position of ruining themselves spiritually through this obedience. Our Lord dwells within His Church in such a way that those who obey disciplinary and doctrinal directives of this society can never find themselves displeasing God through their adherence to the teachings and the commands given to the universal Church militant. Hence there can be no valid reason to discountenance even the non-infallible teaching authority of Christ’s vicar on earth.
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It is, of course, possible that the Church might come to modify its stand on some detail of teaching presented as non-infallible matter in a papal encyclical. The nature of the auctoritas providentiae doctrinalis within the Church is such, however, that this fallibility extends to questions of relatively minute detail or of particular application. The body of doctrine on the rights and duties of labor, on the Church and State, or on any other subject treated extensively in a series of papal letters directed to and normative for the entire Church militant could not be radically or completely erroneous. The infallible security Christ wills that His disciples should enjoy within His Church is utterly incompatible with such a possibility.
But I think not, since they do refer to Francis as "Pope Francis."
the Hermits of Westray (http://www.trumpeteer.co.uk/)received notification of their excommunication on Christmas Day.Sounds like one of the coolest Christmas cards of all time. :cowboy:
It always amazes me, the breathtaking speed with which anyone in the Vatican 2 sect gets excommunicated if they question any of the doctrines of modernism.
https://www.complicitclergy.com/2019/12/25/catholic-hermits-excommunicated-on-christmas-day/If this is how they feel then why should they care about being excommunicated?
Deacon Nick Donnelly has reported (https://twitter.com/ProtecttheFaith/status/1209558656859168769?s=20) that the Hermits of Westray (http://www.trumpeteer.co.uk/)received notification of their excommunication on Christmas Day. The three Scottish hermits were reportedly excommunicated for a post on their website entitled “The Declaration. (http://www.trumpeteer.co.uk/the-declaration/4594595263)” In the post, the hermits declare:The hermits go on to lament the silence of the bishops, stating:Some people who have commented on Donnelly’s post have said that Bishop Brian McGee (https://www.rcdai.org.uk/bishop/) had no choice but to excommunicate the hermits because their “declaration” stated they were withdrawing from the pope. Others have stated the support the hermits’ “declaration.”
The members of the hermitage include Father Stephen de Kerdrel, Sister Colette Roberts and Brother Damon Kelly who had been arrested in the past for his public criticisms of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and abortion.TAKE ACTION: Those interested in expressing their opinions directly to Bishop McGee can do so by sending him an email. (bishopbrian@rcdai.org.uk)
UPDATE: We have received word that Bishop McGee is apparently blocking emails. You may need to resort to calling him at 01631 567436 (http://tel:01631%20567436).
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3. Claiming Pope Francis did or said something he did not
The truth doesn't need you to "modify", spin, or twist it. State the truth simply and let the chips fall where they may. You never know, it might open your eyes to the truth in other areas as well. Willfully deceiving yourself, or accepting a lie in place of the truth, eventually leads to a complete inability to perceive the truth. In the end, the miserable soul can even worship satan (the father of lies) in place of God (who is Truth).
4. Claiming there is no Crisis in the Church, Pope St. Pius X had basically the same stance on the Jews/тαℓмυd as Pope Francis, etc.
I allow members to deal with the Crisis in the Church according to their own lights, prudence, and conscience. However, denying the Crisis altogether puts you completely outside the Traditional Catholic movement. This is a Traditional Catholic forum. If you want to ask questions of the many well informed and educated Catholics here, be my guest. But you must respect the Traditional Catholic beliefs and position. Even many conservative Novus Ordo Catholics know that Pope Francis is a different kind of Pope (in a bad way) than good old popes like St. Pius X. Even many who choose to say in the Novus Ordo acknowledge there is a huge Crisis in the Church.
5. Failure to acknowledge some actual errors in the modern Catholic Church, for example the post-Vatican II errors on the Jews ("Elder brothers in the Church", "Their covenant is still valid", "They don't need to convert") which is in direct contradiction to pre-Vatican II Popes, including St. Peter: "Therefore let all the house of Israel know most certainly, that God hath made both Lord and Christ, this same Jesus, whom you have crucified. Now when they had heard these things, they had compunction in their heart, and said to Peter, and to the rest of the apostles: What shall we do, men and brethren? But Peter said to them: Do penance, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins: and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is to you, and to your children, and to all that are far off, whomsoever the Lord our God shall call. And with very many other words did he testify and exhort them, saying: Save yourselves from this perverse generation." (Acts 2:36-40)
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And, finally, there's no indication in the Declaration that they are even sedevacantists. They merely say that they are withdrawing from him ... almost along the lines of Father Chazal's sede-impoundism.It is much more likely that this group would condemn sedevacantists.
As far as it goes, I think it's good to preach the Faith, and condemn all the errors opposed to it, as these hermits did; but as to presumptions and judgments about the Pope's pertinacity, that is really beyond the competence of either laymen or hermits, and falls solely to the Bishops of the Church; who, beside the Pope, are by divine law, the only judges in such matters. One could have submitted a list of the Pope's errors, and given it to the Bishops to judge; trusting that the Holy Ghost would take it from there.
Where is Faith in the Divine Promise to the Church, and Trust in the Perpetual Guidance of the Holy Spirit promised to the Bishops in such opinions?
To show that the Church possesses the note of holiness it suffices to establish that her teaching is holy .... In regard to her doctrines, it is manifest that the moral law which she proposes as of Divine obligation, is more lofty and more exacting than that which any of the sects has ventured to require. Her vindication of the indissolubility of marriage in the face of a licentious world affords the most conspicuous instance of this. She alone maintains in its integrity her Master's teaching on marriage. Every other religious body without exception has given place to the demands of human passion.
The holiness of the Church's worship is recognized even by the world outside the Church. In the solemn renewal of the Sacrifice of Calvary there lies a mysterious power, which all are forced to own. Even enemies of the Church realize the sanctity of the Mass.