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  • http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/catholic-church-resurgence-credited-with-popularity-of-pope-francis/story-fni0xs61-1226762282074

    Catholic Church resurgence credited with popularity of Pope Francis

    AFTER years in decline, the Roman Catholic Church is experiencing a resurgence in popularity with Pope Francis credited with filling the pews again.

    Catholics across the globe are apparently going back to church inspired by the charismatic Argentinian-born Pope Francis and his refreshing approach to modernise the church.

    The Italian Centre for Studies of New Religion has branded it the "Francis effect" where in Great Britain, largely a Church of England nation, Catholic congregations alone have risen by 20 per cent.

    Similar support for the church is being experienced elsewhere in the world notably Italy, Spain, France, Latin American and the United States.

    More than half the priests surveyed in Italy cited a rise in support for the church, similar reports too from Spain where the clergy is reporting an end to a decade long decline.

    Every time the 76-year-old pontiff conducts a papal audience in Rome, 85,000 people surge into St Peter's Square to hear him, numbers not seen, except for special events or festivals, for years.

    Many church clergy in Europe have cited the pope's down-to-earth attitude in everything he does, from his shunning luxury papal accommodations to instead stay in a modest apartment, through to carrying his own bags as part of the church appeal. Luxury papal cars have been replaced by a Ford Focus.

    He has also sought to clean up the alleged corruption in the Vatican, a move said to have earned him a death threat from Italy's feared 'ndrangheta mafia group, publicly said he would not judge gαy people and is to consult the broader church on contentious issues such as sex before marriage and contraception.

    The UK's Catholic Herald this week called on priests across the nation to follow his lead and his "electrifying effect on Catholics in the UK".

    Archbishop Vincent Nichols, head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales, has hailed the Francis effect saying: "God's love shone through the words and actions of Pope Francis."

    The pope during his Sunday address joked he was liked a pharmacist.

    "I now want to suggest a medicine. 'What?' you ask, 'the pope is now a pharmacist?'" Francis said, shaking a box resembling a pack of tablets, after reciting the traditional Sunday Angelus prayer from a window overlooking the square.

    Labelled "Misericordina, 50 Grammes for the Heart" and emblazoned with an image of the human heart, the box contains 59 threaded rosary beads.

    The instructions, provided in several languages, say: "Can be used once a day, but in case of emergency can be taken as much as the soul needs."

    "Don't forget to take your medicine, because it is good for the heart, the soul, the whole life," the pontiff said.

    The idea was not his but came from followers in Poland. Promoting it on such a stage was exactly what the church has cited as the sort of refreshing approach that has made Pope Francis so popular worldwide.

    This is despite the scandal of the church having turned a blind eye in the past to widespread abuse and pedophilia within the clergy. The Catholic Church in Australia two months ago admitted faults in its dealing with victims of abuse by priests including secrecy and lack of supervision of the dioceses.

    There are an estimated 1.2 billion Catholics in the world - more than 40 per cent of them, or 483 million living in Latin America.


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    Catholic Church resurgence credited with popularity of Pope Francis
    « Reply #1 on: November 17, 2013, 09:56:36 PM »
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  • He's popular because he doesn't preach Catholicism. If he actually taught and defended the Faith, more people would actually leave the Conciliar Church.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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    « Reply #2 on: November 17, 2013, 10:06:20 PM »
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  • What's missing in this post is that in addition to the Rosary, was a picture of Divine Mercy, & what also was missing is that this Divine Mercy was CONDEMNED by a couple of predecessors of Jorge the Humble.  Just thought you'd like to know the WHOLE truth.  

    Yes, Charlemagne, I also hear that ATHEISTS love Jorge the Humble & why wouldn't they?  You know  -  birds of a feather....?
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

    Offline LoverOfTradition

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    « Reply #3 on: November 17, 2013, 10:12:22 PM »
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  • In the Counciliar Church, the Pope is nothing more than a celebrity. Pope Francis is pleasing the world, by everything he does. As someone said, he doesn't preach Catholicism.

    Why else would the world be praising him? They have 'their' Pope now.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 17, 2013, 10:24:00 PM »
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  • Very true, Lover of Tradition.  He goes around WAVING  to the crowd instead of blessing the crowd.

    Wonder how that reform in the Vatican regarding the homo ring & the money laundering is coming along.  How come we don't have any news about all that?
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14


    Offline StCeciliasGirl

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    « Reply #5 on: November 17, 2013, 11:47:17 PM »
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  • Top post on Reddit yesterday, how some guy was going to "church" because Frank loves the bio-committed stuff. Look at this thread (warning: much atheism in that subreddit, world news); or search Reddit for any number of threads across many subreddits, on WHY Frank is popular with the worldly.

    THIS is what Frank brings to the party. Note also how atheists know the guy is contradicting Holy Scriptures and Tradition  :facepalm:

    Some might argue that bringing atheists into a "chill jam session NO mass" is better than leaving these people "un-churched". Believe me, my husband and I have been quite impressed with the numbers, and actively wondered if the RCC might function as a "step-up" church LOL (like, level 1 en route to Baptism, maybe). But the atheists have a new superstar. The numbers at Reddit alone.. here's one thread with over 50,000 votes and thousands of messages. EVERY DAY there is something like that on Reddit. He's definitely stirring the pot.

    But what pot is he stirring? And mostly, imagine how St. Paul would have reacted if someone had told him, "Yeah, I'll follow you. I don't like your god, but you're a pretty tight guy."

     :heretic:

    St. Paul would have fried them and moved on. The Saints didn't rejoice in THEIR OWN humility and popularity and abilities, but in that they were doing God's will and building the Church. At terrible cost to themselves, because they did NOT compromise if a teaching was rejected. They understood God could raise rocks to worship Him if need be, and doesn't "need" to fill the pews by any means necessary. (ESPECIALLY not by diminishing the importance of merely believing in God! You don't put the cart before the horse!)
    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

    +JMJ

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Catholic Church resurgence credited with popularity of Pope Francis
    « Reply #6 on: November 18, 2013, 01:35:21 AM »
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    Noteworthy post - does anyone dispute the statistics? :


    Quote from: Santo Subito
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/catholic-church-resurgence-credited-with-popularity-of-pope-francis/story-fni0xs61-1226762282074

    Catholic Church resurgence credited with popularity of Pope Francis

    AFTER years in decline, the Roman Catholic Church is experiencing a resurgence in popularity with Pope Francis credited with filling the pews again.

    Catholics across the globe are apparently going back to church inspired by the charismatic Argentinian-born Pope Francis and his refreshing approach to modernise the church.




    All stop.  

    Of course, we're aware the author (Charles Miranda) probably has NO CLUE
    what is meant by Modernism.  Nor would he care.  Why should he?  It is his
    job to SELL COPY and coming out clearly with any correct description or
    commentary about the Grand Sewer of All Heresies and the religion of the
    devil
    isn't going to advance his career one iota.

    Be that as it may, we are left bemused with the principle being described:  that
    it could be possible any approach to modernize the Church can be "refreshing."


    I seem to recall a particular example Our Lord gave us, of a certain man
    buried in the depths of hell who begged for one drop of water to be
    brought to his tongue so as to relieve him (read: 'refresh' him).



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    The Italian Centre for Studies of New Religion has branded it the "Francis effect" where in Great Britain, largely a Church of England nation, Catholic congregations alone have risen by 20 per cent.




    ............................ the "Francis effect"...............................



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    Similar support for the church is being experienced elsewhere in the world notably Italy, Spain, France, Latin American and the United States.

    More than half the priests surveyed in Italy cited a rise in support for the church, similar reports too from Spain where the clergy is reporting an end to a decade long decline.



    Do you think that for one millisecond the Menzingen denizens are not
    looking at these observations with a hint of circuмspection?  


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    Every time the 76-year-old pontiff conducts a papal audience in Rome, 85,000 people surge into St Peter's Square to hear him, numbers not seen, except for special events or festivals, for years.



    Please show me an example of Bishop Fellay being entirely uninterested
    in sharing this kind of popular appeal!!


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    Many church clergy in Europe have cited the pope's down-to-earth attitude in everything he does, from his shunning luxury papal accommodations to instead stay in a modest apartment, through to carrying his own bags as part of the church appeal. Luxury papal cars have been replaced by a Ford Focus.



    We'll know +F is getting serious when he starts putting around in a
    Ford Focus.  


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    He has also sought to clean up the alleged corruption in the Vatican, a move said to have earned him a death threat from Italy's feared 'ndrangheta mafia group, publicly said he would not judge gαy people and is to consult the broader church on contentious issues such as sex before marriage and contraception.



    For the record, this refers to the Jesuit-style questionnaire form that has
    been distributed to interested parties, a thing that would seem to turn the
    practice of the Holy See into some kind of democracy or parliamentary
    conglomerate, as if the essence of morality is subject to popular vote!


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    The UK's Catholic Herald this week called on priests across the nation to follow his lead and his "electrifying effect on Catholics in the UK".



    As for me, I'll just have to wait for TheRecusant to explain how and/or to
    what degree the "Catholics in the UK" are being "electrified" by this.



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    Archbishop Vincent Nichols, head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales, has hailed the Francis effect saying: "God's love shone through the words and actions of Pope Francis."

    The pope during his Sunday address joked he was liked a pharmacist.



    I know, language is a living thing, but this is too much.  "He was liked a
    pharmacist," was he?  How about Standard English, if there is such a thing
    anymore?


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    "I now want to suggest a medicine. 'What?' you ask, 'the pope is now a pharmacist?'" Francis said, shaking a box resembling a pack of tablets, after reciting the traditional Sunday Angelus prayer from a window overlooking the square.




     Pope Francis shows a rosary in a box designed to resemble a packets of pills, during his traditional Sunday's appearance from his studio overlooking St. Peter's Square on November 17. Picture: AP Photo/Gregorio Borgia Source: AP



    Labelled "Misericordina, 50 Grammes for the Heart" and emblazoned with an image of the human heart, the box contains 59 threaded rosary beads.

    The instructions, provided in several languages, say: "Can be used once a day, but in case of emergency can be taken as much as the soul needs."



    Wait.  Isn't this the same man who just said the other day that
    people who recite memorized prayers are not really praying?   :whistleblower:


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    "Don't forget to take your medicine, because it is good for the heart, the soul, the whole life," the pontiff said.



    Francis has been talking to his cardiologist too much.  Too bad
    they don't have Obamacare over there.  Then there would be a
    government agent between the doctor and the doctored and so
    maybe we would get a better report of what the doctor told him
    to make him come up with this NOVEL CONCEPT.  

    And then again, maybe not.


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    The idea was not his, but came from followers in Poland. Promoting it on such a stage was exactly what the church has cited as the sort of refreshing approach that has made Pope Francis so popular worldwide.





    More "refreshment" for the Masses.




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    This is despite the scandal of the church having turned a blind eye in the past to widespread abuse and pedophilia within the clergy. The Catholic Church in Australia two months ago admitted faults in its dealing with victims of abuse by priests including secrecy and lack of supervision of the dioceses.

    There are an estimated 1.2 billion Catholics in the world - more than 40 per cent of them, or 483 million, living in Latin America.




    These are troubled times.  

    We are called to a higher level of discernment.

    How can 483 million Catholics all be wrong?  

    That's why Francis disseminated that Jesuit questionnaire.

    Someone has to have the answers.

    BTW:  do you suppose they're reading all the answers to those Q&As?

    I'm looking forward to the new VATICAN FAQ's.


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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #7 on: November 18, 2013, 02:07:11 AM »
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    The only reason that the Pope can be "liked a pharmacist" by recommending
    a plastic box containing "a string of 59 rosary beads" (does the 'string' have
    any crucifix attached, or does it have a centerpiece?) is that this 'box of beads'
    doesn't require any physician's prescription.  

    Even in the "electrified Great Britain" a 'chemist' can't recommend prescription
    medicines.  He only has 'suggestions' for over-the-counter medications.







    Actually, the prayer of the Rosary has the
    divine prescription for every human creature.  
    Why didn't Charles Miranda mention that fact?  
    Probably because he didn't do enough
    research, yet.




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    « Reply #8 on: November 18, 2013, 04:15:34 AM »
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  • Whenever I hear these types of reports, the first thing that comes to mind is he is bringing them into the Church, but not the Catholic Church.  Or at least a very watered down version of it.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #9 on: November 18, 2013, 09:55:28 AM »
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  • Neither in Spanish nor any other language do the Sacred Words, "Go forth and teach all nations...." translate into "Eyyyyy Macarena!"

    Church liberals, like their political counterparts, believe that agitprop is ALL one need do to establish credibility.

    Until I see evidence of numerous ex-atheists, ex-Jєωs, ex-mooselimbs, ex-Lutherans, etc. in penitential garb and prostrate before monstrances all over the world, this is all ...

    .......nothing

    .....................more

    ...............................than


    ......................................agitprop.


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    « Reply #10 on: November 18, 2013, 10:26:48 AM »
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  • The miserablist "church of the poor and the oppressed" that Pope Francis portrays, may be very appealing to the modern masses, which believe that the main purpose of the Church is " social justice", cooperation with false religions and sentimental tolerance of heretic errors, instead of the salvation of human souls from the fires of hell, as it should be.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #11 on: November 18, 2013, 10:41:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    Archbishop Vincent Nichols, head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales, has hailed the Francis effect saying: "God's love shone through the words and actions of Pope Francis."

    The pope during his Sunday address joked he was liked a pharmacist.



    I know, language is a living thing, but this is too much.  "He was liked a
    pharmacist," was he?  How about Standard English, if there is such a thing
    anymore?


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    "I now want to suggest a medicine. 'What?' you ask, 'the pope is now a pharmacist?'" Francis said, shaking a box resembling a pack of tablets, after reciting the traditional Sunday Angelus prayer from a window overlooking the square.




     Pope Francis shows a rosary in a box designed to resemble a packets of pills, during his traditional Sunday's appearance from his studio overlooking St. Peter's Square on November 17. Picture: AP Photo/Gregorio Borgia Source: AP



    Labelled "Misericordina, 50 Grammes for the Heart" and emblazoned with an image of the human heart, the box contains 59 threaded rosary beads.

    The instructions, provided in several languages, say: "Can be used once a day, but in case of emergency can be taken as much as the soul needs."



    Wait.  Isn't this the same man who just said the other day that
    people who recite memorized prayers are not really praying?   :whistleblower:


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    "Don't forget to take your medicine, because it is good for the heart, the soul, the whole life," the pontiff said.



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    The rosary is my daily medicine

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    « Reply #12 on: November 18, 2013, 10:48:46 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    The only reason that the Pope can be "liked a pharmacist" by recommending
    a plastic box containing "a string of 59 rosary beads" (does the 'string' have
    any crucifix attached, or does it have a centerpiece?) is that this 'box of beads'
    doesn't require any physician's prescription.  

    Even in the "electrified Great Britain" a 'chemist' can't recommend prescription
    medicines.  He only has 'suggestions' for over-the-counter medications.







    Actually, the prayer of the Rosary has the
    divine prescription for every human creature.  
    Why didn't Charles Miranda mention that fact?  
    Probably because he didn't do enough
    research, yet.




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    With or without the crucifix the Holy Virgin is my protector.

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    « Reply #13 on: November 18, 2013, 11:14:11 AM »
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  • I have two points I want to make:

    (1) From a sociological point of view, it's irresponsible to jump to these conclusions based on such a small sampling.  The writer of the article merely mentioned a couple of locations in England where Mass attendance is, what, approx 6%?  And for a few weeks it bumped up to 6.3%?  Is that really a sign of growth?  It could merely be the occurence of a couple weddings with visitors or it could be some novus ordite presiders (who are all college graduates and know how to tamper with sample stats) putting forth "helped" data.  Now, these cases of fraud would balance out if the long view is taken, i.e., mass attendance over a six year period instead of over a two week period.

    The proven sign of growth is an upswing in Mass attendance in addition to Sunday donations and, most of all, a growth in real numbers of vocations.  Some of these growths take over a decade or more to see the positive benefits.

    One of the lines from the story said "Catholics across the globe are apparently..."  Apparently?  That's not a statistical sample.  

    (2) The second point.  Imagine after Vatican II that Catholic attendance at Mass went from 68% to 97/3 % and 75% of Muslims and 90% of Jєωs converted to the post-Vatican II church.  Well, what of it?  We Catholics are to remain FAITHFUL to the Catholic Church and the Deposit of Faith and are not, no matter the level of popularity, to follow novelty nor apostasy (because Vatican II brought forth widespread apostasy in the embracing of other faiths as salvific methods).  

    Just think how much tougher it would be for Traditional Catholics if the novus ordo service was a smashing success and everyone was loving it?  Lucky for us, even the people at the novus ord service are bored and wondering why they feel no religious sentiments while in attendance.  

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    « Reply #14 on: November 18, 2013, 11:14:23 AM »
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  • Given my previous experience with pseudo-Christian cults, take it from me, he's a cult leader. He doesn't declare, only suggests changes which people take to mean changes, even though he doesn't directly pronounce any.
    He calls it the interpretation that is most correct, or the truth that others missed, etc. Either way, he has the answers without ever actually giving any, only inferences. He focuses too much much on inconsequential matters and focuses little if at all on what really matters. It's all peace, love and understanding. I'm okay, you're okay b.s.

    The job of the Holy Father isn't to pat sinners on the head and tell them they're right. His job is to correct sinners and call them back to God. He has found a way to make it appear as though people want to do as God wills because his indirect statements make it appear as though God's will is contraception, women priests, happy homos and everyone employed without learning a trade. He's Vladimir Lenin with a more Jovial disposition and the highly valued position as pontiff.
    A wolf in sheep's clothing if ever there was one.
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."