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Offline Stubborn

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Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
« on: May 09, 2024, 05:38:01 AM »
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    Reuters

    August 9, 2007

    By Philip Pullella

    VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Roman Catholic Church has effectively buried the concept of limbo, the place where centuries of tradition and teaching held that babies who die without baptism went.
    In a long-awaited docuмent, the Church's International Theological Commission said limbo reflected an "unduly restrictive view of salvation".

    The 41-page docuмent was published on Friday by Origins, the docuмentary service of the U.S.-based Catholic News Service, which is part of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

    Pope Benedict, himself a top theologian who before his election in 2005 expressed doubts about limbo, authorized the publication of the docuмent, called "The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptised".
    The verdict that limbo could now rest in peace had been expected for years. The docuмent was seen as most likely the final word since limbo was never part of Church doctrine, even though it was taught to Catholics well into the 20th century.

    "The conclusion of this study is that there are theological and liturgical reasons to hope that infants who die without baptism may be saved and brought into eternal happiness even if there is not an explicit teaching on this question found in revelation," it said.
    "There are reasons to hope that God will save these infants precisely because it was not possible (to baptize them)."
    The Church teaches that baptism removes original sin which stains all souls since the fall from grace in the Garden of Eden.

    "NO NEGATION OF BAPTISM"
    The docuмent stressed that its conclusions should not be interpreted as questioning original sin or "used to negate the necessity of baptism or delay the conferral of the sacrament".
    Limbo, which comes from the Latin word meaning "border" or "edge", was considered by medieval theologians to be a state or place reserved for the unbaptized dead, including good people who lived before the coming of Christ.

    "People find it increasingly difficult to accept that God is just and merciful if he excludes infants, who have no personal sins, from eternal happiness, whether they are Christian or non-Christian," the docuмent said.
    It said the study was made all the more pressing because "the number of nonbaptised infants has grown considerably, and therefore the reflection on the possibility of salvation for these infants has become urgent".

    The commission's conclusions had been widely expected.
    In writings before his election as Pope in 2005, the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger made it clear he believed the concept of limbo should be abandoned because it was "only a theological hypothesis" and "never a defined truth of faith".
    In the Divine Comedy, Dante placed virtuous pagans and great classical philosophers, including Plato and Socrates, in limbo. The Catholic Church's official catechism, issued in 1992 after decades of work, dropped the mention of limbo.


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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
    « Reply #1 on: May 09, 2024, 06:09:19 AM »
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  • I don’t get it? Why the :facepalm:? That’s your church, but you erroneously called it the Catholic Church in your subject heading.
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    Re: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
    « Reply #2 on: May 09, 2024, 06:22:40 AM »
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  • "Pope" Benedict, the bastion of Tradition. :laugh1:
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    Re: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
    « Reply #3 on: May 09, 2024, 06:25:51 AM »
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  • The docuмent stressed that its conclusions should not be interpreted as questioning original sin or "used to negate the necessity of baptism or delay the conferral of the sacrament".

    Docuмent protests too much, because it knows that's exactly what it's doing ... negating the necessity of Baptism.  What a bunch of liars and deceivers.

    We've gone from St. Augustine, who, along with most of the Fathers, taught that unbaptized infants go to Hell, to the notion of Limbo (pioneered by Abelard and then picked up by St. Thomas ... the reasoning for which is unassailable and closely related to the true Catholic understanding of natural vs. supernatural life), to now where unbaptized infants go to Heaven (100% Pelagianism).

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    Re: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
    « Reply #4 on: May 09, 2024, 06:27:27 AM »
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  • I don’t get it? Why the :facepalm:? That’s your church, but you erroneously called it the Catholic Church in your subject heading.

    While he's echoing the article's title, I agree that a Traditional Catholic should never assert that the "Catholic Church" has done any such thing ... but these are more fruits of the R&R mindset.  "Catholic Church" has introduced a sacrilegeous Mass, "Catholic Church" has introduced doubful Rites for Holy Orders, "Catholic Church" has corrupted Catholic doctrine, etc.  That's why I often rebuke R&R for blasphemy, since they're constantly making propositions along these lines.


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    Re: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
    « Reply #5 on: May 09, 2024, 09:12:09 AM »
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  • I don’t get it? Why the :facepalm:? That’s your church, but you erroneously called it the Catholic Church in your subject heading.
    :facepalm:
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
    « Reply #6 on: May 09, 2024, 09:15:49 AM »
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  • While he's echoing the article's title, I agree that a Traditional Catholic should never assert that the "Catholic Church" has done any such thing ... but these are more fruits of the R&R mindset.  "Catholic Church" has introduced a sacrilegeous Mass, "Catholic Church" has introduced doubful Rites for Holy Orders, "Catholic Church" has corrupted Catholic doctrine, etc.  That's why I often rebuke R&R for blasphemy, since they're constantly making propositions along these lines.
    Yes, you and other sedes - *only* sedes are known for rebuking R&R, because sedes here make their opinions dogma. Then you want us to all be lumped together. :facepalm:
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
    « Reply #7 on: May 09, 2024, 10:50:20 AM »
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  • Once again, the Vatican II theology.  25 years ago, while praying the rosary in front of an abortion clinic, a Novus Ordo woman tells me that aborted babies go straight to heaven.  I told her, "Well, if that is true, then abortion is the greatest thing imaginable."   She had this horrified look on her face.  She should have been horrified by her own stupidity. 
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    Re: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
    « Reply #8 on: May 09, 2024, 10:55:15 AM »
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  • Then you want us to all be lumped together. :facepalm:

    Siskel and Ebert, I mean Salza and Siscoe, lumped you in with sedes.  Sedes did not do that and have no intention of doing so.  Maybe you missed that?? 

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    Re: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
    « Reply #9 on: May 09, 2024, 10:55:46 AM »
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  • Once again, the Vatican II theology.  25 years ago, while praying the rosary in front of an abortion clinic, a Novus Ordo woman tells me that aborted babies go straight to heaven.  I told her, "Well, if that is true, then abortion is the greatest thing imaginable."  She had this horrified look on her face.  She should have been horrified by her own stupidity.
    Unfortunately, this is what she learned in her church.  I would venture to guess that every pro-lifer in the V2 sect believes the same thing.
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    Re: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
    « Reply #10 on: May 09, 2024, 11:14:00 AM »
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    Reuters

    August 9, 2007

    By Philip Pullella

    VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Roman Catholic Church has effectively buried the concept of limbo, …


    And yet you still think these anti-Catholic assholes are true Popes.


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    Re: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
    « Reply #11 on: May 09, 2024, 11:17:54 AM »
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  • Siskel and Ebert, I mean Salza and Siscoe, lumped you in with sedes.  Sedes did not do that and have no intention of doing so.  Maybe you missed that??
    No, he didn't. 
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    Re: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
    « Reply #12 on: May 09, 2024, 11:33:06 AM »
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  • I couldn't imagine that he had but was trying to be nice and give him the benefit of the doubt.  No words really.

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    Re: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
    « Reply #13 on: May 09, 2024, 12:01:20 PM »
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  • Siskel and Ebert, I mean Salza and Siscoe, lumped you in with sedes.  Sedes did not do that and have no intention of doing so.  Maybe you missed that??
    Yes, the sedes do that. One (major?) sede even made a youtube practically saying as much, it's in the other thread. Crazy I know.
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    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
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  • And yet you still think these anti-Catholic assholes are true Popes.
    I think the pope needs prayers and pray for him daily. And you?
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse