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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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« on: November 04, 2013, 03:14:21 AM »
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  • What are the facts in regards to Catholic cemeteries in Philadelphia.
    I heard that the Philadelphia Diocese sold it to a outside management firm.

    What is the average funeral cost depending on where you live?  



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    Offline Mabel

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    « Reply #1 on: November 04, 2013, 10:13:10 AM »
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  • Even so, if it is an older cemetery, it is still consecrated ground, as it would have been consecrated by a bishop of the unadulterated rites. That is something to think about when making your final plans.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 06, 2013, 08:07:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    What are the facts in regards to Catholic cemeteries in Philadelphia.
    I heard that the Philadelphia Diocese sold it to a outside management firm.

    What is the average funeral cost depending on where you live?  





    Here is an article about the arrangement between the Archdiocese of Philadelphia and StoneMor Partners L.P., which is a publically traded company based in Pennsylvania, which owns and operates 277 cemeteries and 92 funeral homes in 27 states and Puerto Rico.  It appears that the CEO of StoneMor is Catholic.  

    In essence the Archdiocese is leasing their cemeteries to StoneMor to operate for 60 years, while still retaining ownership.  The affected properties will continue to retain their Catholic identity, which I would take to mean that StoneMor couldn’t sell cemetery lots to anyone not entitled to burial in a Catholic cemetery.  The Archdiocese will continue to control the perpetual endowment trust fund and StoneMor must contribute to the fund for any properties it sells under the lease arrangement.  Rather than operate the cemeteries itself, as it has been doing, the cemeteries are being leased to a for profit company to operate in exchange for a guaranteed income to the Archdiocese.  Any monies after the company has covered operating expenses and their lease payment to the Archdiocese will be their profit.

    Most dioceses operate a cemetery system, and it is my understanding that these are generally profitable; that after operating costs there is at least a modest income stream which helps support other diocesan apostolates.  Also, if not offering Catholic families the best price possible while remaining solvent (which I think should be part of their mission), they are at least competitive with other local options.  I would speculate that under the lease arrangement with StoneMor the Archdiocese feels it will receive more guaranteed net income than by operating the cemeteries themselves.  My guess is that prices will increase at the cemeteries of the Archdiocese once the for profit company takes over their operations.

    If one is concerned about this some options might be:

    If the agreement hasn’t been finalized yet one could purchase their property and pay the internment fees at the current price, before they increase.  Most cemeteries offer payment plans, often interest free if paid in full within a certain time period.

    The agreement doesn’t cover parish cemeteries.  This is possible a lower cost option.

    Some non diocesan Catholic chapels have started their own cemeteries (the CMRI Mount St. Michael’s in Spokane has), and this may be an option for burial in a Catholic cemetery.

    Some people have cemetery property they no longer want or need, for a whole variety of reasons.  A not uncommon reason could be they purchased property where they were living during the working years.  When they were elderly they went to live by or with a child in another part of the country.  When they died, if there was a large expense with having them taken back to their former town for burial, they may be interred at a cemetery where they died.  The families will want to sell this surplus burial property, usually at a much lower price than the current one.  These are often listed in the classified section of diocesan newspapers.



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    « Reply #3 on: November 15, 2013, 11:39:19 AM »
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  • I'm a bit surprised there haven't been other comments, but to answer the OP's question regarding costs here is some information.

    My mother purchased her space at Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery in Spokane, WA in 1965 when my father was buried after an accident.  The cost per lot was $225.00.

    My property was purchased there in 1999 for $750.00.

    My mother purchased a pre need lot there in 2009 for another son and the cost was $2,000.

    This reinforces in my mind the importance of planning ahead and organizing these things before need.

    My mother compleated and paid her cemetery arrangements in 1999.  At that time the internment fee was $410.00 (now over $800).   She purchased a basic Wilbert vault at $595.00.  The Wilbert Monticello is now typically $995.00  and a basic concrete grave liner is $500 - $800.  The flat bronze grave marker was $582.00.  A granit marker is less expensive than bronze but dad has a veteran's bronze marker, so mom will have a matching one.

    My mother will be 93 in February.  While she is still active and in good health she wants to "get everything taken care of and paid for" so we (the sons) don't have to worry about it, and I've been helping with that.

    The Traditonal Funeral Service Fee will be $3,400.00.  This includes removal at the time of death, sheltering of the remains at the funeral home until final committal, embalming, hairdressing, makeup, dressing, doing all the paper work, directing a Rosary service at the funeral home chapel (extra cost to have the Rosary at the church), the funeral Mass at the church, and the committal service.  This includes the hearse, a service/flower car and a minimum of two directors in attendence.

    The casket will cost $1,795.00 (A cherry wood veneer).  The veneer's are nice looking and much less expensive than solid hardwood.  There are modestly priced metal caskets also but we were up into the $2,500 range before we saw anything that didn't look really cheap (plastic handles, poorly fitted hardware).

    Other costs include about $200 for a register book, memorial folder, and holy card (200, the package also includes thank you note cards for the pall bearers, those who send flowers or bring food, etc.).  The obituary notice fee in the newspaper averages $150 (this is what the newspaper charges, not the funeral home; the funeral home will help a family write a concise obituary so it's not too long, papers charge by the column inch).  One will need several certified copies of the death certificate (we are getting 6 for $100; this is what the county charges, not the funeral home, though they will make the arrangements to get them).  We are having them make a video tribute of mom's life (up to 52 pictures) for $110.00.  The funeral home suggests a $150 honorarium for the priest who says the Mass and the same for the one who says the committal (they will be different priests).  I need to ask around to see what is most common.  We will use the curcifix from her bedroom and she will be buried with her own personal rosary, so some modest savings there.  The cemetery is 150 miles away from the church so there is  $350 charge to drive there.

    Anyways, we are up to $6,500 in a hurry!  We are setting up a life insurance account that can be paid into in increments and will set aside $7,000.  Out of that we will give a donation to the Altar Society for the lunch they will provide after Mass.  Any funds from the life insurance or trust account not needed for actual expenses are returned to the family.  One does need to have some vigilance to make sure the funeral home isn't suggesting too many options to use up the extra funds.

    It pays to shop around also, there can be a range of both service and casket prices between funeral homes (though is it also important to consider their reputation).  It pays to plan ahead.  Most funeral homes offer life insurance or trust account programs through which when the services and merchandise are paid in full the cost is frozen.  So, even if prices have increased by the time of death the family pays no more.  It looks to me like we could have saved about $1,500 if we had done this planning five years ago.

    Another not well known fact about cemetery space.  There is a national association of Catholic cemeteries through which one can exchange equivalent property.  So if one had pre purchased lots at a cemetery and life's circuмstances had them living in a different part of the country when they died, they often can "trade" for a lot at another Catholic cemetery at little or no additional cost.

    I hope some of this information may be useful.