Author Topic: Catholic Bishop Calls for Womens Ordination (Read 3773 times)

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #60 on:** May 06, 2011, 10:24:38 AM »

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A good way to cut through the sophistic nonsense is to ask how you could explain the "recognize but disobey" position to Protestants.

You start telling them about the ecclesiastical authorities and how they preserve the unity of the Church but then the Protestants will want to know why there is no genuine submission to those authorities.

The non-Catholic isn't going to buy into the idea that Stevus and the SSPX follow the Popes and the Bishops.

You give them the example of St. Athanasius and tell them to read the story and point them to a book. It would be a good teaching lesson on infalliblity and its limits. Also you point out to them that the PCED said it is not a sin to assist at their Masses and they fulfill the Sunday obligation. You also point out to them that there is a difference in the fact that the SSPX is a society with an irregular canonical situation, and individuals in the Society or who assist at their Masses who are Catholics inside the Church.

You also point out the difference between Prot "reformers" like Luther who rejected 1500 years of Tradition and Traditionalists who support 2,000 years of Tradition.

You give them "The Great Facade" to read.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #61 on:** May 06, 2011, 05:22:52 PM »

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You give them the example of St. Athanasius and tell them to read the story and point them to a book.

The Romans deposed Liberius when they believed he had become a heretic. Liberius wasn't an Arian. But Benedict XVI is a modernist.

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It would be a good teaching lesson on infalliblity and its limits.

As Catholics we're bound to accept the magisterium of the Popes. Now how do I explain to a Protestant that I accept the Pope but not his magisterium?

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Also you point out to them that the PCED said it is not a sin to assist at their Masses and they fulfill the Sunday obligation.

And yet the Pope says that the SSPX priests have no ministry in the Catholic Church. So they are priests acting outside the Pope's authority, presuming Benedict XVI is Pope.

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You also point out to them that there is a difference in the fact that the SSPX is a society with an irregular canonical situation, and individuals in the Society or who assist at their Masses who are Catholics inside the Church.

Sure I'll point out they are Catholics only they reject the magisterium of the Popes while calling them true Popes.

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You also point out the difference between Prot "reformers" like Luther who rejected 1500 years of Tradition and Traditionalists who support 2,000 years of Tradition.

Yes, traditionalists support 2000 years of Tradition, but the current Pope signed the joint declaration on justification (which was approved by John Paul II. So was the Pope wrong in the 1500s or is the Pope wrong now? If Luther was wrong then then he's wrong now, if the Pope doesn't say Luther was wrong then he's departed from the Catholic Faith.

TKGS · « **Reply #62 on:** May 06, 2011, 06:57:32 PM »

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Yes, traditionalists support 2000 years of Tradition, but the current Pope signed the joint declaration on justification (which was approved by John Paul II. So was the Pope wrong in the 1500s or is the Pope wrong now? If Luther was wrong then then he's wrong now, if the Pope doesn't say Luther was wrong then he's departed from the Catholic Faith.

Speaking of Martin Luther, is everyone getting excited about 31 October 2017?

It's coming fast! Think of all the celebrations that are being planned at this moment in Rome and in dioceses all around the world!

I wonder if the Catholic bishop of Wittenburg will re-enact the big event.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #63 on:** May 06, 2011, 07:31:17 PM »

Well, ML was, in JP2's words (utter from the pulpit of a Lutheran church), a "profoundly religious man..."

JPaul · « **Reply #64 on:** May 08, 2011, 08:01:28 PM »

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Yes, traditionalists support 2000 years of Tradition, but the current Pope signed the joint declaration on justification (which was approved by John Paul II. So was the Pope wrong in the 1500s or is the Pope wrong now? If Luther was wrong then then he's wrong now, if the Pope doesn't say Luther was wrong then he's departed from the Catholic Faith.

The Pope is obviously wrong now. If he believes that Luther did err and leave the Church, then he has departed from the Catholic Faith in that he rejects the decisions of the Church and his predecessors.

The problem with modern man is that he will not submit to God and His Church.

JMJ

JPaul · « **Reply #65 on:** May 08, 2011, 08:04:58 PM »

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Commentary other than "See, we have no Pope!" is welcome...

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/05/how-about-this-bishop.html

How about this bishop?

From the blog PrayTell, citing an article published by Der Sonntag on Black Saturday of this year:

These Easter Sunday words of a Swiss Catholic bishop suggest that the topic of women’s ordination won’t be going away anytime soon.

Markus Büchel calls for far-reaching reforms in the Catholic Church. The bishop of the diocese of St. Gallen [St. Gall] spoke out openly for women’s ordination. “We must search for steps that lead there,” he said. “I could imagine that women’s diaconate could be such a step.”

One has not been permitted to discuss women’s ordination for a good while. “We can’t afford this anymore.” Regarding priesthood for women, Büchel said, “We can pray that the Holy Spirit enables us to read the signs of the times.”

He made this explosive statement in the St. Galler Pfarreiblatt [St. Gall Parish Paper]. Sabine Rüthemann, media spokesperson for the diocese, confirmed: “The interview is authorized. What Bishop Büchel said is what he means.”

These are very far-reaching statements for a bishop. They signal a Catholic breaking of taboos. In canon law every ordained ministry is limited to men.

JPaul · « **Reply #66 on:** May 08, 2011, 08:09:17 PM »

I think this fellow is trying to levitate his Missal. I wonder how he is termed as Catholic?
These are the follies of the "Church of the New Advent" (speaking of blasphemy)

JMJ

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #67 on:** May 08, 2011, 08:25:29 PM »

Gotta say, that altar girl is lookin mighty pious and engrossed in the powerful display of holiness taking place right in front of her...

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #68 on:** May 09, 2011, 03:16:24 PM »

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Gotta say, that altar girl is lookin mighty pious and engrossed in the powerful display of holiness taking place right in front of her...

Must admit this is a good one.