Author Topic: Catholic Bishop Calls for Womens Ordination (Read 5487 times)

LordPhan · « **Reply #40 on:** May 04, 2011, 09:43:13 AM »

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ignorence is not bliss. There is the ordinary and the extraordinary.

Obey they Father and Mother. But if thy father and mother tell you to kill yourself and you do you goto hell for ѕυιcιdє. You are required to not obey on pain of sin. It is not a sin to disobey them. There is no damned if you do and damned if you don't in catholicism.

Here's the problem - the Church can't lead souls to destruction.

Like I said, try to explain this resist and recognize position to non-Catholics. We follow the Pope and bishops, but we don't follow the Pope and bishops. The Church is indefectible, but the Pope and bishops are leading people to hell. If your hierarchy is leading people to hell then it has defected.

once again, the CHURCH is the magisterium, not the individual priests or bishops. Following the magiseterium cannot lead you to hell. But a Bishop can.

My Priest told me that there was a quote from someone and I wish I was paying more attention now. But it went something like "In many lines in hell there is a priest at the back, because everyone in front is saying 'But Father Said....' "

Telesphorus · « **Reply #41 on:** May 04, 2011, 09:44:38 AM »

Quote from: LordPhan

Quote from: Telesphorus
Quote from: LordPhan
ignorence is not bliss. There is the ordinary and the extraordinary.

Obey they Father and Mother. But if thy father and mother tell you to kill yourself and you do you goto hell for ѕυιcιdє. You are required to not obey on pain of sin. It is not a sin to disobey them. There is no damned if you do and damned if you don't in catholicism.

Here's the problem - the Church can't lead souls to destruction.

Like I said, try to explain this resist and recognize position to non-Catholics. We follow the Pope and bishops, but we don't follow the Pope and bishops. The Church is indefectible, but the Pope and bishops are leading people to hell. If your hierarchy is leading people to hell then it has defected.

once again, the CHURCH is the magisterium, not the individual priests or bishops. Following the magiseterium cannot lead you to hell. But a Bishop can.

My Priest told me that there was a quote from someone and I wish I was paying more attention now. But it went something like "In many lines in hell there is a priest at the back, because everyone in front is saying 'But Father Said....' "

But the SSPX is ignoring and attacking the post-1962 magisterium. Not just individual priests and bishops.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #42 on:** May 04, 2011, 09:46:35 AM »

Tele, the post-1962 magisterium isn't even Catholic. The CMRI and SSPV don't follow it, either. So why is the Society suddenly trying to have it both ways when they're doing what a majority of Traditionalists do?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #43 on:** May 04, 2011, 09:59:07 AM »

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Tele, the post-1962 magisterium isn't even Catholic. The CMRI and SSPV don't follow it, either. So why is the Society suddenly trying to have it both ways when they're doing what a majority of Traditionalists do?

You are inadvertently proving my point SS.

LordPhan · « **Reply #44 on:** May 04, 2011, 10:16:01 AM »

I guess I should have been more clear. When I said the Magisterium I was talking about the Universal Ordinary Magisterium which is infallable. You are clearly refering to the Authentic Magisterium which is not infallible. It is called Authentic because it authentically comes from the Pope. But it does not come from tradition and thus cannot be proclaimed as being infallilbe since it does not originate with Our Lord Jesus Christ to his Apostles in either scripture or traditions handed down from said.

If you would like an understanding of the differences in the magisterium's read the post I made on the Infallible Magisterium. It is a link. Click it and read it. It is very long.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/clear-ideas-on-the-infallible-magisterium