Author Topic: Catholic Bishop Calls for Womens Ordination (Read 5526 times)

LordPhan · « **Reply #25 on:** May 03, 2011, 11:12:48 PM »

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Ok, gotcha. Sorry for the mis-understanding.

As far as them making decisions they cannot make, I do think that judging the Pope as an anti-pope is a bit extreme (unless the Pope were to commit undeniable heresy or if he was not Catholic). Outside of that, however, we are free to judge people's actions. If a bishop says that women can be priests, I'd label that as a heresy. My real thing is that if a person commits an undeniable heresy, wouldn't that exclude him from the Catholic Church?

If a person simply speaks a heresy this doesn't exclude him from the Catholic Church.

If a person speaks a heresy you must rebuke him, if he recants he is not in heresy and never was, he was just in error. If he persists and argues it or declares himself a believer that something the catholic church believes is not so then he is a heretic.

That's my understanding of it.

LordPhan · « **Reply #26 on:** May 03, 2011, 11:16:38 PM »

Also a Clergy is judged at final judgement doubly for sins that he allows or encourages in his flock.

I wish I remembered the quote my Priest gave me at the dinner party/get together on Sunday night, but it went something like "In most lines in hell there is a Priest at the back, because the ones in front are saying 'but Father said...'" He then went on to say, "you'll never be able to say that I told you it was ok to do X"

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #27 on:** May 03, 2011, 11:21:44 PM »

He may apparently hold to a heresy, but whether or not this means he is no longer a Catholic is a different matter. That would be up for the competent ecclesiastical authority to decide. Very few of these NO Catholics even know enough about the true faith to knowingly hold to heresy. Many of them don't even know what the true Faith is and think that the Church is fine with you believing almost whatever you'd like. It is mass confusion spawned by a complete abdication of authority's obligation to condemn error and discipline those who spread it. That is their role and duty. If they don't do it, all we can do is point it out to them and try to correct the errant and error ourselves the best we can. But we can't go judging on our own authority whether certain clerics have lost their office.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #28 on:** May 03, 2011, 11:33:36 PM »

From what I have always understood regarding this topic, an attempt to ordain a human being of the female sex to the Sacred Priesthood would be like attempting to confect the ineffable act of Transubstantiation using cheese. It would be a grave sacrilege, a horrible profanation, an unspeakable crime, and a ludicrous absurdity.

Such a thing, according to my understanding, would be tantamount to positing that a perfect circle may indeed exceed 360 degrees, and that mathematicians should study the possibility of demonstrating that such a circle could exist.

LordPhan · « **Reply #29 on:** May 03, 2011, 11:36:03 PM »

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From what I have always understood regarding this topic, an attempt to ordain a human being of the female sex to the Sacred Priesthood would be like attempting to confect the ineffable act of Transubstantiation using cheese. It would be a grave sacrilege, a horrible profanation, an unspeakable crime, and a ludicrous absurdity.

Such a thing, according to my understanding, would be tantamount to positing that a perfect circle may indeed exceed 360 degrees, and that mathematicians should study the possibility of demonstrating that such a circle could exist.

agreed