Author Topic: Catholic Bishop Calls for Womens Ordination (Read 5052 times)

stevusmagnus · « **on:** May 03, 2011, 08:57:36 AM »

Commentary other than "See, we have no Pope!" is welcome...

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/05/how-about-this-bishop.html

How about this bishop?

From the blog PrayTell, citing an article published by Der Sonntag on Black Saturday of this year:

These Easter Sunday words of a Swiss Catholic bishop suggest that the topic of women’s ordination won’t be going away anytime soon.

Markus Büchel calls for far-reaching reforms in the Catholic Church. The bishop of the diocese of St. Gallen [St. Gall] spoke out openly for women’s ordination. “We must search for steps that lead there,” he said. “I could imagine that women’s diaconate could be such a step.”

One has not been permitted to discuss women’s ordination for a good while. “We can’t afford this anymore.” Regarding priesthood for women, Büchel said, “We can pray that the Holy Spirit enables us to read the signs of the times.”

He made this explosive statement in the St. Galler Pfarreiblatt [St. Gall Parish Paper]. Sabine Rüthemann, media spokesperson for the diocese, confirmed: “The interview is authorized. What Bishop Büchel said is what he means.”

These are very far-reaching statements for a bishop. They signal a Catholic breaking of taboos. In canon law every ordained ministry is limited to men.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #1 on:** May 03, 2011, 10:06:40 AM »

Benedict should excommunicate him. But I gaurantee you he won't.

TKGS · « **Reply #2 on:** May 03, 2011, 10:28:21 AM »

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Commentary other than "See, we have no Pope!" is welcome...

I had to give you a "Dislike" on this post only for the gratuitous comment you made above. The comments by this bishop of the Conciliar church does not directly or indirectly indicate whether the See of Peter is filled. In fact, it does not excommunicate the bishop either.

If he declares that, as a matter of principle, woman can be ordained then he is a heretic and loses his office automatically. If he ordains a woman, he loses his office automatically. As long as he simply calls for "searching" for a way to do the impossible, he is a very, very bad bishop who is corrupting the faith of his flock (i.e., a wolf in sheep's clothing") but he could still be a bishop.

Of course, I say this only because I don't know anything about his ordination, his consecration, under what rite he was ordained or consecrated, if the bishops who ordained or consecrated him were true bishops, or if he has actually taught heresy prior to this interview.

(But, if he were my bishop, I would not accept him as a true bishop until he demonstrate his fidelity to the Church, which he does not do in this interview. The Crisis in the Church is such that the burden of proof now lies with the individual cleric demonstrating himself to be Catholic rather than critics demonstrating that he is not.)

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #3 on:** May 03, 2011, 10:57:34 AM »

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If he declares that, as a matter of principle, woman can be ordained then he is a heretic and loses his office automatically.

Quote from: Bishop Buchel

The bishop of the diocese of St. Gallen [St. Gall] spoke out openly for women’s ordination. “We must search for steps that lead there,” he said. “I could imagine that women’s diaconate could be such a step.”

How could one possibly call for steps that lead to what one believes is an impossibility? Obviously, Bishop Buchel believes that it is theologically possible for women to be ordained or else it would be madness for him to propose canonical steps leading there.

Therefore, under your own logic, you must conclude this bishop is a heretic and has lost his office automatically. Of course, this is absurd. At the rate and ease with which certain Sedes privately judge clerics to have lost their offices, Lord knows who is and is not a true priest, bishop, or pope.

Thankfully, to guard us from this insanity, God left these decisions to the Church and not joe-sede. This bishop is still a true bishop. He is simply a bishop in serious error or delusion who, in a sane time, would be disciplined immediately by the pope in some fashion. Until he is, he remains a bishop being currently allowed by the Chief Shepherd, to poison his flock. Thus this goes (once again) to the crisis of almost all ecclesiastical discipline in the post-conciliar period.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #4 on:** May 03, 2011, 11:00:46 AM »

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Commentary other than "See, we have no Pope!" is welcome...

I had to give you a "Dislike" on this post only for the gratuitous comment you made above.

I appreciate the explanation, but if you haven't yet noticed from my "reputation" score, I couldn't care less!