Author Topic: CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAYS EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS (Read 6660 times)

LionelAndrades · « **Reply #10 on:** June 20, 2010, 07:22:42 AM »

Thursday,
Praised be Jesus and Our Lady

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In my Missal (Father Steadman 1943) it says that there is no salvation outside the church for those who are convinced that the Catholic Church is the true church.

That's all I know about it.

True- those who are convinced and do not enter the Catholic Church are on the way to Hell at the time of death.

Also, those who know about Jesus and the Catholic Church and yet do not enter are also on the way to Hell.This would mean millions of educated people in modern cities.(Ad Gentes 7).

Also, non-Catholics in general are on the way to Hell because of original sin and mortal sins committed in that state and not having the Sacraments of the Church to help them.(Ex cathedra extra ecclesiam nulla salus).

In Christ
Lionel

Matto · « **Reply #11 on:** June 20, 2010, 04:34:18 PM »

I have often heard that God offers every single soul enough graces to be saved and that there is not a single soul in Hell who did not have a chance to be saved. I don't know if this is true or not, but if it is true then there must be some kind of Baptism of Desire where God incorporates certain souls into his Church in a miraculous way.

LionelAndrades · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2010, 08:13:08 AM »

Matto

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I have often heard that God offers every single soul enough graces to be saved and that there is not a single soul in Hell who did not have a chance to be saved. I don't know if this is true or not, but if it is true then there must be some kind of Baptism of Desire where God incorporates certain souls into his Church in a miraculous way.

Salvation is available for everyone. However only those who respond can be saved. Those who do not respond to the Holy Spirit have themself to blame.
So in general everyone must respond to Jesus' Great Sacrifice for them and say YES with the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.
There could be exceptional cases, known only to God when someone receives the grace of the baptism of desire and is saved. This would be miraculous.
In Christ
Lionel

Matto · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2010, 09:28:35 AM »

The reason I ask is because I always thought that all of those who died in original sin alone, having never committed an actual sin, would go to the part of Hell called Limbo. But I do not know how to reconcile this with the idea that God gives everyone enough grace to be saved. Babies who die in miscarriages and abortions seem to have no chance to be saved because they die before sacramental Baptism is possible. Therefore, either God must give them a chance to receive a miraculous Baptism of Desire before they die in the womb which each soul can accept or reject, or it is not true that God gives everyone a chance to be saved. I do not know what to believe and I have never heard this properly explained. Has the Church ever said that every soul receives enough graces to be saved, or is this just something that many people want to believe that is not really true, and that because of Man's sins, there are some souls created that have no chance of being saved.

LionelAndrades · « **Reply #14 on:** June 22, 2010, 08:21:59 AM »

Matto

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The reason I ask is because I always thought that all of those who died in original sin alone, having never committed an actual sin, would go to the part of Hell called Limbo.

I have also believed in the same.

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But I do not know how to reconcile this with the idea that God gives everyone enough grace to be saved.

Adults.

Babies who die in miscarriages and abortions seem to have no chance to be saved because they die before sacramental Baptism is possible.

They go to Limbo which is neither Heaven nor Hell.

Therefore, either God must give them a chance to receive a miraculous Baptism of Desire before they die in the womb which each soul can accept or reject, or it is not true that God gives everyone a chance to be saved.

I think babies go to Limbo and adults with the Baptism of Desire can be saved.

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I do not know what to believe and I have never heard this properly explained. Has the Church ever said that every soul receives enough graces to be saved,

We believe Jesus died for all people and that the Holy Spirit makes this grace available for all, within every person is a knowledge of what is right and wrong.

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or is this just something that many people want to believe that is not really true, and that because of Man's sins, there are some souls created that have no chance of being saved.

I believe God is Love and he loves everyone of us without exception and those who reject Him in his Son Jesus, God gives them the freedom to choose an eternity without Him.
In Christ
Lionel