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Offline Incredulous

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Carmelite Convents recommendation ?
« on: November 20, 2012, 11:14:18 PM »
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  • I was wondering if anyone could recommend a Carmelite Convent for receiving prayer intention stipends?

    I'm looking for traditional Catholic Carmelites, receiving pre Vatican II Sacraments. A convent that is not open to an accord with newRome.

    Does such a Carmelite order exist?
    Thanks for your help... this is obviously a touchy subject.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Carmelite Convents recommendation ?
    « Reply #1 on: November 20, 2012, 11:26:11 PM »
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  • Are you thinking of becoming a benefactor?  If so, I salute you!

    It's a practice I recommend of everyone on this forum.  Find a traditional convent, and make donations.  

    If I'm misreading your post, then I do apologize.


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    Carmelite Convents recommendation ?
    « Reply #2 on: November 21, 2012, 12:51:22 AM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Are you thinking of becoming a benefactor?  If so, I salute you!

    It's a practice I recommend of everyone on this forum.  Find a traditional convent, and make donations.  

    If I'm misreading your post, then I do apologize.



    Yes, I would like to occasionally send a Carmelite convent stipends for prayer intentions.

    Father de la Tour (SSPX) once told me that if you ever have an important issue to deal with, send a prayer request to the Carmelites.  

    They have the "big guns" with Heaven for getting our prayer requests efficaciously answered
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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Carmelite Convents recommendation ?
    « Reply #3 on: November 21, 2012, 07:02:35 AM »
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  • The only traditional Carmelite community I know anything about is the Carmelite Community of the Holy Trinity in Spokane, Washington.  They are affilliated with the SSPX.  More information about them can be found on the SSPX website:

    http://www.sspx.org/Vocations/carmelites_in_the_usa.htm

    When my daughter was investigating a vocation she spoke with the Reverend Monther there extensively and kept in contact with them for some time, though she eventually entered the CMRI, also located in Spokane.

    This is one of the communities that people such as John Vennari were discussing when there seemed a real probability that there was going to be a canonical agreement between the SSPX and Rome since it was unclear as to what would happen with the non-SSPX orders that received the Sacraments from and were affiliated with the SSPX.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 21, 2012, 07:43:42 AM »
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  • http://www.sistersofcarmel.org/


    Colorado Springs, Colorado


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    « Reply #5 on: November 22, 2012, 12:16:39 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    The only traditional Carmelite community I know anything about is the Carmelite Community of the Holy Trinity in Spokane, Washington.  They are affilliated with the SSPX.  More information about them can be found on the SSPX website:

    http://www.sspx.org/Vocations/carmelites_in_the_usa.htm

    When my daughter was investigating a vocation she spoke with the Reverend Monther there extensively and kept in contact with them for some time, though she eventually entered the CMRI, also located in Spokane.

    This is one of the communities that people such as John Vennari were discussing when there seemed a real probability that there was going to be a canonical agreement between the SSPX and Rome since it was unclear as to what would happen with the non-SSPX orders that received the Sacraments from and were affiliated with the SSPX.



       Yes. TKGS, I'm concerned about where Carmel of the Holy
       Trinity stands on the canonical agrement ?

       I didn't catch Vennari's comments, but since he brushed off Msgr. Williamson's
        expulsion from the SSPX, I don't pay much mind to him anymore.

       I recall the Abbot at the Silver City,  Benedictine Monastery threw his full
       support to Msgr. Fellay.  This was a red flag for me.  
       Reminds me of the monastery hijacking in the film "Catholics".
     
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #6 on: November 22, 2012, 12:23:34 AM »
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  • Quote from: Cheryl
    http://www.sistersofcarmel.org/


    Colorado Springs, Colorado



    Thank you for the reference Cheryl!

    This looks like a very traditional convent.  I'd never heard of them?

    Their hand made statues and Rosaries look so impressive.




    I noticed they do Rosary and Statue repair too.

    Contact information:

    Reverend Mother Prioress
    Carmelite Monastery of the Sacred Hearts
    8540 Kenosha Dr.
    Colorado Springs, CO 80908-5004
    USA
     
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Carmelite Convents recommendation ?
    « Reply #7 on: November 23, 2012, 06:32:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
    Quote from: Cheryl
    http://www.sistersofcarmel.org/


    Colorado Springs, Colorado



    Thank you for the reference Cheryl!

    This looks like a very traditional convent.  I'd never heard of them?

    Their hand made statues and Rosaries look so impressive.




    I noticed they do Rosary and Statue repair too.

    Contact information:

    Reverend Mother Prioress
    Carmelite Monastery of the Sacred Hearts
    8540 Kenosha Dr.
    Colorado Springs, CO 80908-5004
    USA
     



    Glad I could help.


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    Re: Carmelite Convents recommendation ?
    « Reply #8 on: March 19, 2025, 08:36:36 PM »
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  • Are they served by priests whose orders are not doubtful? 

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    Re: Carmelite Convents recommendation ?
    « Reply #9 on: March 19, 2025, 09:49:01 PM »
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  • Are they served by priests whose orders are not doubtful?
    Good question, Steve. Unless you follow the Carmelite line established by Mother Marie Christiane, Archbishop Lefebvre's sister, then you will almost certainly have issues with the validity of Holy Orders of the priests who serve them... obviously there is a small chance now that this could also be a problem with the SSPX-associated Carmels. The German "SSPX" Carmel in Brilon am Wald, started with the Resistance but became sedevacantist very early on. I no longer know how to locate them... and I recall that you need good German to communicate with them! https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/neo-sspx-about-to-lose-its-german-carmel/

    With this German Carmel, there would still be questions about what bishops they adhere to now and how that might affect issues of validity...

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    Re: Carmelite Convents recommendation ?
    « Reply #10 on: March 20, 2025, 05:55:32 AM »
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    Re: Carmelite Convents recommendation ?
    « Reply #11 on: March 20, 2025, 03:44:10 PM »
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  • Are they served by priests whose orders are not doubtful?
    They are served by the Servants of the Holy Family group, lead by 'Bp.' Anthony Ward (Ordained a priest by +Lefebvre, unsure who consecrated him). I've bought many religious articles from the sisters, which were very good; however, I'm unsure about anything else.
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    Re: Carmelite Convents recommendation ?
    « Reply #12 on: March 20, 2025, 06:41:59 PM »
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  • They are served by the Servants of the Holy Family group, lead by 'Bp.' Anthony Ward (Ordained a priest by +Lefebvre, unsure who consecrated him). I've bought many religious articles from the sisters, which were very good; however, I'm unsure about anything else.
    Thanks for solving that riddle! They have definitely used Conciliar Church bishops for their ordinations and ?consecration, but they don't give out the names because they do not want any repercussions for those 'bishops'. "It's a matter of trust":
    https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvuzBaYLfTB/?igsh=cnFvbmNsaDhsZHd3

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    Re: Carmelite Convents recommendation ?
    « Reply #13 on: March 20, 2025, 06:50:20 PM »
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  • Thanks for solving that riddle! They have definitely used Conciliar Church bishops for their ordinations and ?consecration, but they don't give out the names because they do not want any repercussions for those 'bishops'. "It's a matter of trust":
    https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvuzBaYLfTB/?igsh=cnFvbmNsaDhsZHd3
    I didn't listen far enough into the video before making that post. They did release the name of one of the bishops who did their ordinations in the past:

    Bishop Geraldo Daniel Joseph Scarpone Caporale, O.F.M. †
    Deceased
    Bishop Emeritus of Comayagua, Honduras

    Events
    [th]Date[/th]
    [th]Age[/th]
    [th]Event[/th]
    [th]Title[/th]
    1 Oct 1928Born
    15 Jul 194920.7First VowsMember of Order of Friars Minor
    15 Jul 195223.7Solemn VowsMember of Order of Friars Minor
    24 Jun 195627.7Ordained PriestPriest of Order of Friars Minor
    15 Jan 197950.2AppointedCoadjutor Bishop of Comayagua, Honduras
    21 Feb 197950.3Ordained BishopCoadjutor Bishop of Comayagua, Honduras
    30 May 197950.6SucceededBishop of Comayagua, Honduras
    21 May 200475.6RetiredBishop of Comayagua, Honduras
    29 Oct 201688.0DiedBishop Emeritus of Comayagua, Honduras


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    Re: Carmelite Convents recommendation ?
    « Reply #14 on: March 20, 2025, 06:55:17 PM »
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  • The bishop who consecrated Fr Geraldo Scarpone Caporale was none other than the Bishop of Rome, Pope Paul VI, in 1974...
    What confusion!