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Cardinals vote unanimously in favour of Paul VIs canonization
« on: December 15, 2012, 07:23:31 PM »
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  • http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/inquiries-and-interviews/detail/articolo/paolo-vi-paul-vi-pablo-vi-papa-el-papa-pope-20637/

    Last 10 December, the Congregation of Saints approved Paul VI’s canonization, now all that’s needed is the Pope’s signature

    ANDREA TORNIELLI
    VATICAN CITY

    First the theologians and now the cardinals and bishops of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints have given the go ahead for Paul VI’s beatification. Pope Paul VI brought the Second Ecuмenical Vatican Council to a close, leading the Church through the difficult post-conciliar period. The Council’s meeting, announced by Vatican Insider last October, was held on 10 December at the Congregation’s Headquarters. Not Vatican Insider has learnt that the outcome of the vote was positive. The late pope’s Positio – the collection of docuмents used in the process by which a person is declared a saint – was approved unanimously by all present. All bishops and cardinals expressed themselves in favour of the “heroic virtues” of Giovanni Battista Montini, elected Pope with the name Paul VI in 1963 and deceased in 1978. Theologians who voted separately also voted unanimously in favour.

     
    Two steps now remain before the beatification date is announced. The Pope’s promulgation of the Decree of Heroic Virtues, expected on 20 December, when the Prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, Cardinal Angelo Amato, will attend an Audience with the Pope to present the decrees for the beatification process. It is highly likely Benedict XVI will approve the beatification in light of the unanimous vote of the cardinals and bishops and historical diatribes as was the case with Pius XII. The Pope took some time before deciding to approve Pius XII’s beatification. After the papal decree, Paul VI will receive the title “Venerable”, marking the conclusion of the process.

     
    The second step that is necessary before Paul VI can be officially canonized is the recognition of a miracle, a miraculous healing attributable to Paul VI after his death. The postulator of Paul VI’s cause, Fr. Antonio Marrazzo, has examined the list of reported miracles performed by the late pope and has picked a case of “healing” which upon first examination appears unexplainable. The alleged miracle involves the healing of an unborn child which was witnessed sixteen years ago in California. During the pregnancy, doctors had found a serious problem with the foetus and because of the effects this problem was known to have on the brain, the only possible solution for the young mother was to have an abortion. The woman had wanted to go through with the pregnancy and entrusted herself to the intercession of Paul VI, the Pope who wrote the 1968 encyclical “Humanae Vitae”. The child was born without any health impairments: the family has to wait until the child reaches the age of fifteen before confirmation of complete healing can be given. But a second unexplainable case of healing - involving a nun diagnosed with a tumour - could also be presented to the Vatican Congregation for examination.
     
    The Pope intends to proceed as quickly as possible. The beatification is expected by the end of the Year of Faith. 2013 marks the 50th anniversary of Montini’s election as Pope and the 35th anniversary of his death.


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    Cardinals vote unanimously in favour of Paul VIs canonization
    « Reply #1 on: December 15, 2012, 08:03:26 PM »
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  • This news is terrible, though not really unexpected. First the so-called "beatification" of John Paul II, and now this? Was not the cause for Montini's "canonization" halted? I seem to recall that a good book thoroughly refuted such a notion. Alas...

    I wonder what sort of uproar this will cause, if any...

    "I have chosen to be an abject in the house of my God, rather than to dwell in the tabernacles of sinners." Psalms Ch. LXXXIII, v. 11


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    Cardinals vote unanimously in favour of Paul VIs canonization
    « Reply #2 on: December 16, 2012, 09:34:35 PM »
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  • Perhaps popes will begin routinely canonizing their predecessors, like Roman emperors declaring their predecessors gods.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    Cardinals vote unanimously in favour of Paul VIs canonization
    « Reply #3 on: December 16, 2012, 09:47:24 PM »
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  • This is a push to justify Vatican II.  All they do is defend Vatican Ii instead of admitting that it is a complete failure.  
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    Cardinals vote unanimously in favour of Paul VIs canonization
    « Reply #4 on: December 16, 2012, 10:08:52 PM »
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  • Bad News.


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    Cardinals vote unanimously in favour of Paul VIs canonization
    « Reply #5 on: December 17, 2012, 12:00:05 AM »
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  • I'm just going to have a wait and see on this.  
    My conscience compels me to make this disclaimer lest God judges me partly culpable for the errors and heresy promoted on this forum... For the record I support neither Sedevacantism or the SSPX.  I do not define myself as either a traditionalist or Novus

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    Cardinals vote unanimously in favour of Paul VIs canonization
    « Reply #6 on: December 17, 2012, 11:42:58 AM »
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  • Is there anyway to have a complete discussion on Paul VI?  The good, the bad, the ugly and the outright diabolical?

    Is it true that after his death, one of his lackeys immediately destroyed all his private writings?

    All the facts, still surviving, are necessary to assess this prior "pope".

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    Cardinals vote unanimously in favour of Paul VIs canonization
    « Reply #7 on: December 17, 2012, 07:24:45 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    Perhaps popes will begin routinely canonizing their predecessors, like Roman emperors declaring their predecessors gods.

    I'd also made a logical connection a lot like that, but I wasn't prepared to express it as clearly as you have.

    Readers ought to search on-line for combinations of (Giovanni Battista) "Montini" and "Bellegrandi" or "Peyrefitte", maybe plus the author "Guimaraes" (the 'a' between the 'r' and 'e' is actually the commonly misrendered search-confounding 'a'-tilde: ALT-0227 or %E3).

    Ponder how well the allegations encountered, if true, could explain the on-going organized-religion scandal infesting mostly (if not entirely) the Novus Ordo Church.  Then decide for yourselves: Does Paul VI deserve the sacred honor of beatification, much less sainthood?

    I would not normally present my thoughts in such an indirect style, but I'm not sure how critical 'Matthew' will allow me to be of a recent pope, even one so plainly Novus Ordo.


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    Cardinals vote unanimously in favour of Paul VIs canonization
    « Reply #8 on: December 17, 2012, 07:36:08 PM »
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  • They need to cannonize him; its the only way to save what face is left when speaking about the disaster of Vatican II. How could you not cannonize the man most responsible (besides John XXIII) for the changes of such a 'great' council, while speaking about all of the good its brought? Surely a saint could only cause so much good, right?

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    Cardinals vote unanimously in favour of Paul VIs canonization
    « Reply #9 on: December 18, 2012, 12:39:06 AM »
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  • Quote from: A. Tornielli


    The Pope’s promulgation of the Decree of Heroic Virtues, expected on 20 December, when the Prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, Cardinal Angelo Amato, will attend an Audience with the Pope to present the decrees for the beatification process.




    Whatever cataclysmic event(s) erupt on December 21st or 22nd, the

    Vatican can blame them on the Mayan Calendar, and thus save face.


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    Cardinals vote unanimously in favour of Paul VIs canonization
    « Reply #10 on: December 18, 2012, 03:17:09 AM »
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  • Quote from: Devonshire
    This news is terrible, though not really unexpected. First the so-called "beatification" of John Paul II, and now this? Was not the cause for Montini's "canonization" halted? I seem to recall that a good book thoroughly refuted such a notion. Alas...

    I wonder what sort of uproar this will cause, if any...


    Yes the book was "Paul VI... Beatified? by Fr. Luigi Villa, just passed away November 18, 2012.
    Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord, and may perpetual light shine upon him. Amen.

    Just a quote from a short biography "Who is Father Luigi Villa? by Dr. Franco Adessa, to be found here ( http://www.chiesaviva.com/donluigivilla%20ing.pdf), sold at the Apostolate of Our Lady of Good Success (google for website)

    In 1971, Fr. Villa founded his Review “Chiesa viva,” with correspondents and collaborators in all continents. The first issues were released on the date September, 1971. A few months later, in Vienna, on December 14, 1971, Father Luigi had a personal encounter with  Card. Joseph Mindszenty who, after having been humiliated and degraded by Paul VI, for not accepting to reach out to Communism, left Rome. The Cardinal read the entire first issue of “Chiesa viva” and was so enthusiastic that he put his signature on the copy he had read. At the end of the meeting, after two and a half hours of a passionate and enlightening interview, he told Father Villa:  «Believe me, Paul VI delivered entire Christian Countries into the hands of Communism ... »

    "The greatest obstacle in the apostolate of the Church is the timidity or rather the cowardice of the faithful."

    Pope St. Pius X


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    Cardinals vote unanimously in favour of Paul VIs canonization
    « Reply #11 on: December 18, 2012, 03:42:22 AM »
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  • But never Leo XIII or Pius IX

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    « Reply #12 on: December 18, 2012, 12:41:19 PM »
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  • One more example of why we cannot trust the modernist church.

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    Cardinals vote unanimously in favour of Paul VIs canonization
    « Reply #13 on: December 18, 2012, 07:51:57 PM »
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  • They voted for his beatification not his canonization.  Title is misleadng.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 19, 2012, 12:58:41 PM »
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  • Quote from: ggreg
    They voted for his beatification not his canonization.  Title is misleadng.


    True, but one leads to another.  

    A question we should want answered before anything else is whether or not Paul VI was the one who leaked the names of the priests who were going undercover into the communist countries for the sole purpose of providing the faithful with the sacraments?  These priests were caught and executed.  

    Another valid question is whether or not Paul VI was actually an atheist.  He did deliver whole countries over to the communists and suppressed the concept of the Social Reign of Our Lord.

    Was Paul VI an atheist?  

    To be a devil's advocate, is there anything good to be said about Paul VI?  Let's hear it,

    Both sides need to be heard but do saints betray priests unto their death at the hands of the enemy?  That is, if true.  

    There are questions that need, even demand, an honest answer.