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Re: Cardinals Burke and Sarah - Strong message to Pope Leo XIV, July, 2026
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2026, 11:00:42 AM »
It's about DOCTRINE, not merely liturgy. And it's mind-boggling that Burke and the indulturers refuse to admit it. :facepalm:
Do you support Ladislaus's scandalous and schismatic statement above that "90% of Catholics are heretics" which sounds like something a Greek Orthodox or Old Catholic or complete apostate from Christianity might say? Which position do you hold on these issues, sede/r&r or indult?

As to your point, sure, it's about doctrine. That does nothing to prove the indult position false. We simply recognize 90% of Catholics, who pray the Rosary daily or frequently in their parishes, adore the Eucharist, during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, or separately in Adoration chapels, are not in fact "90% heretics" but faithful Catholics. Thus, we refuse to fall into schism from them, or from the Church of Rome.

What position do you hold, and by what Catholic principle do you justify it? Also, which doctrine or dogma exactly is denied in the new liturgy? As far as I can see, most practicing serious Catholics believe in Lord Jesus as God and Savior, believe in His Holy Eucharist, love His Immaculate Mother, pray the Rosary etc.

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Re: Cardinals Burke and Sarah - Strong message to Pope Leo XIV, July, 2026
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2026, 11:05:26 AM »
Do you support Ladislaus's scandalous and schismatic statement above that "90% of Catholics are heretics" which sounds like something a Greek Orthodox or Old Catholic or complete apostate from Christianity might say? Which position do you hold on these issues, sede/r&r or indult?

As to your point, sure, it's about doctrine. That does nothing to prove the indult position false. We simply recognize 90% of Catholics, who pray the Rosary daily or frequently in their parishes, adore the Eucharist, during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, or separately in Adoration chapels, are not in fact "90% heretics" but faithful Catholics. Thus, we refuse to fall into schism from them, or from the Church of Rome.

What position do you hold, and by what Catholic principle do you justify it? Also, which doctrine or dogma exactly is denied in the new liturgy? As far as I can see, most practicing serious Catholics believe in Lord Jesus as God and Savior, believe in His Holy Eucharist, love His Immaculate Mother, pray the Rosary etc.

Deflection. Allege schism. Pigeon-hole. Sorry, doesn't work. I adhere to what The Church has always taught. Bye.


Re: Cardinals Burke and Sarah - Strong message to Pope Leo XIV, July, 2026
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2026, 11:23:50 AM »
Deflection. Allege schism. Pigeon-hole. Sorry, doesn't work. I adhere to what The Church has always taught. Bye.
It is no deflection. You seem to be unable, or unwilling, to substantiate your claims. If I claimed, "90% of the "Catholics" on this forum are in fact heretics", wouldn't the burden of proof be on me to back up such a claim? You cannot even name the dogma or doctrine which these 1.2+ Billion "heretic" Catholics of yours supposedly deny. Sad. 

But so be it. Whoever dies a formal heretic, or whoever dies in mortal sin, God will judge as always. Those who have judged others harshly and without Mercy, Saint James and Our Lord Himself promises, will have a horrible Judgment.

It is good and merciful to judge others charitably, not harshly. And always name the alleged doctrine/dogma denied. Everyone knows what dogma Protestants deny, Eucharist, Mary, Purgatory etc. Everyone knows what doctrine Arian heretics deny, Trinity, Incarnation etc. Everyone knows what dogma Old Catholics deny, Papal Infallibility, Immaculate Conception etc. Yet nobody can tell us exactly what dogma that "90% heretic" Roman Catholics allegedly deny. SMH.

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Re: 91 Monasteries close in France in 20 years, but Trad Latin monks survive
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2026, 10:47:17 PM »
... If I claimed, "90% of the "Catholics" on this forum are in fact heretics", wouldn't the burden of proof be on me to back up such a claim?...
Related:
Here's a consoling fact for you: 91 monasteries have closed in France in the last 20 years, and this tiny headline  does prove one thing about Tradition...

https://lesalonbeige.fr/en-20-ans-91-monasteres-ont-ferme-aucun-chez-ceux-dont-loffice-est-exclusivement-en-latin/
AI Translation:
The Church in France  - In 20 years, 91 monasteries have closed, none among those whose office is exclusively in Latin.

Michel Janva July 22, 2026... Over the last 20 years, nearly a third of monasteries (around 30%) have closed. And it's accelerating: until 2015, there were around fewer than four closures per year. The average figure today is around ten per year.
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Like it or not, like you mention, there is still a root of Faith in the Modern church, but Modernism is a disease and is contagious...
N.Ordo faithful should instruct themselves about the four quasi -heretical docuмents of Vatican II:
  Decree on Ecuмenism, Unitatis Redintegratio; 
      Decree on the Church, Lumen Gentium;
          Decree on Non-Christian Religions, Nostra Aetate; 
              Declaration on Religious Liberty, Dignitatis Humanae;
-  about the real definition of Mass, and morality (modesty in dress).

Plus all the sacraments were altered.

Pray.







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Re: Cardinals Burke and Sarah - Strong message to Pope Leo XIV, July, 2026
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2026, 12:27:18 AM »
We simply recognize 90% of Catholics, who pray the Rosary daily or frequently in their parishes, adore the Eucharist, during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, or separately in Adoration chapels, are not in fact "90% heretics" but faithful Catholics.
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You seriously think 90% of Novus Ordos pray the rosary every day, or at least frequently -- in their parish church (!!?), adore [what they think is] the Eucharist, and so on?

Wow, we got a live one!! :laugh1::facepalm::facepalm: