Author Topic: Cardinals Billot Merry del Val argue against a council. (Read 624 times)

Geremia · « **on:** August 05, 2013, 02:21:47 AM »

Cardinal Billot said:

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Finally, here is the most serious reason, the one which would seem to me absolutely to militate for a negative reply. Resuming the Council is desired by the worst enemies of the Church, the modernists, who are already getting ready—as quite certain indications reveal—to profit from the estates general of the Church in order to make revolution, a new '89, the object of their dreams and hopes. They will not succeed, of course, but we would see again those very sad days of the end of the pontificate of Leo XIII and of the beginning of that of Pius X; we would see things even worse, and it would annihilate the happy fruits of the Encyclical Pascendi which silenced them all.

Billot was also especially fearful that

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the proportion, considerable both in numbers and in means of action, of the Irish-American element in Council, would introduce procedures of discussion and propaganda more in accord with democratic usage than with ecclesiastical traditions.

Cardinal Bonzano was concerned about

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the danger that a certain number of bishops, especially foreigners, would try to emphasize their own rights, in opposition to the prerogatives of the primacy of the Supreme Pontiff, under the pretext that Rome centralizes too much.

Cardinal Merry del Val (Pope St. Pius X's secretary of state) asked:

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Would it really be possible to prevent the world press from disturbing and confusing the work of the Ecuмenical Council? In 1870 the Pope was master in his own house and the press did not yet have the ability it now has to penetrate everywhere, to spy, and to set traps. Would it be possible to prevent it from acting more or less openly within the Council itself, stirring up people, creating dissension, inhibiting the work, and compromising the result of the debates in the Council itself?

Also:

Quote from: St. Gregory nαzιenzen

I never saw a council assembled without danger and inconvenience.... To speak truly, I must say that I avoid, as much as I can, assemblies of priests and bishops; I never saw so much as one concluded in a happy and agreeable manner, and which did not tend rather to increase evils than to remove them.

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ThomisticPhilosopher · « **Reply #1 on:** August 28, 2013, 12:54:33 AM »

:detective: Good job could not agree more.

I have also heard that St. Anthony Mary Claret had almost a heart attack from the sort of ideas that were being thrown around during Vatican I. Thank God that at that time the infiltrators did not have that many agents, but it does tell you something about what was going to happen in the next Council.

From the Alta Vendita, " Let the clergy march under your banner in the belief always that they march under the banner of the Apostolic Keys. You wish to cause the last vestige of tyranny and of oppression to disappear? Lay your nets like Simon Barjona. Lay them in the depths of sacristies, seminaries, and convents, rather than in the depths of the sea, and if you will precipitate nothing you will give yourself adraught of fishes more miraculous than his. The fisher of fishes will become a fisher of men.You will bring your-selves as friends around the Apostolic Chair. You will have fished up a Revolution in Tiara and Cope, marching with Cross and banner-a Revolution which it will needbut to be spurred on a little to put the four quarters of the world on fire."

The very air we breathe is Masonic, heretical and liberal. :geezer: Take care and keep the faith!

Cathedra · « **Reply #2 on:** August 28, 2013, 02:10:38 AM »

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I have also heard that St. Anthony Mary Claret had almost a heart attack from the sort of ideas that were being thrown around during Vatican I.

Actually he had a stroke.

Imagine if he were alive today. He would have a nuclear explosion.

ThomisticPhilosopher · « **Reply #3 on:** August 28, 2013, 04:39:49 PM »

It was during the Council right?

Such was his great love for the Church. St. Anthony Mary Claret was an Apostle's apostle, such a good Bishop! He said that God sends us bad priest because we deserve them. He also said it is better to have one good priest then a 1,000 bad priest.