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Offline Alexandria

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« on: June 21, 2010, 01:49:30 PM »
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  • This should prove interesting.

    I do not understand why people think he was a "pope in hiding."  I know all about the white smoke/black smoke confusion.  I have read that he was elected and declined because he feared for what might happen to his family.

    Does anyone here have any real evidence that they can show me?  I've never really looked too much into this because it always sounded so far-fetched to me.



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    « Reply #1 on: June 21, 2010, 02:09:16 PM »
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  • It doesn't much matter.  Think of it this way -- if it were true, and he were elected Pope but then was forced to resign, how would he have called a college of cardinals together to elect a successor?  

    The Siri theorists believe he was not only Pope, but that he started his own underground line of Popes.  But at the same time, the whole reasoning behind the Siri thesis is that he was pressured not to say he was Pope, and that he was followed and kept under surveillance during his whole life to make sure he didn't spill the beans.  

    So let me get this straight -- he was kept under surveillance so intently that he could barely breathe, he couldn't speak about his true status as Pope.  Yet somehow, despite this 24/7 surveillance, despite the bodyguards who would kill him if he so much as breathed a word about his true status, he was able to appoint a bunch of cardinals who would elect his successor?

    Doesn't really work, does it?  David Hobson, main proponent of the Siri thesis, once wrote to me something about how he can't tell me now how Siri appointed a successor but all will be revealed, etc.  A scam may be involved whereby someone will emerge out of the blue with the fabled "successor to Siri," who would really be an actor or vagrant priest or something like that.  But I think the Siri thesis is not really taking off like Hobson had hoped, and it's petering out more and more by the day.
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    « Reply #2 on: June 21, 2010, 02:11:45 PM »
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  • I dont buy ti at all-though will remain open minded, it is I think more urban legend....
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    « Reply #3 on: June 21, 2010, 02:39:04 PM »
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  • Whatever the problems with Gregory XVII, there are far more with any other scenario. Over 30 yrs he would have had the opportunity to appoint a curia one way or another.
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    Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #4 on: June 21, 2010, 03:30:23 PM »
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  • If the Siri thesis is true and there is a real Pope in exile, I can't wait for him to come out of hiding and challenge the legitimacy of Benedict or one of his successors. If he were indeed the true Pope God would probably support his cause with great miracles and he would be successful in reclaiming his throne.
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    « Reply #5 on: June 21, 2010, 04:15:19 PM »
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  • Can it, Augustine.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 21, 2010, 04:27:14 PM »
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  • Raoul, you are mistaken about my identity. Please do not accuse me of being this Augustine whenever you see one of my posts.
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    « Reply #7 on: June 21, 2010, 06:40:28 PM »
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  • Not all proponents of the Siri theory believe that he appointed a successor.  There's no credible evidence for that.

    I do believe that he was elected and forced to step down.


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    « Reply #8 on: June 21, 2010, 07:13:42 PM »
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  • If Siri was forced to step down in accepting the
    papacy because of threats.  If this proves to be
    the truth, and all the Cardinals that participated
    in the conclave of 1958, and 1963, had knowledge
    of these facts.
    Would the elections of John XXlll and Paul Vl
     be valid?
    What about this seal of secrecy that the
    Cardinals had to take to never reveal what
    really happened during these Conclaves?
     

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    « Reply #9 on: June 21, 2010, 08:30:15 PM »
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  • Yeah, there are lots of questions regarding the details.  We don't know whether everyone there knew he stepped down under duress.  It's possible that the threats were communicated privately and that many or most of those voting in the conclave were not aware of why Siri stepped down.

    If Siri was elected, accepted, and then resigned under duress, then the elections of J23, P6, and JP2 would have been invalid.  St. Francis had a prophecy about an "uncanonically elected" pope who would wreak havoc on the Church.

    To me, the best evidence might be the FBI docs cited by Paul Williams.  It not only mentions that Siri was elected but that he had taken the name Gregory XVII.  That's some pretty specific information (the exact name) which also indicates that Siri had in fact accepted the election.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 21, 2010, 10:00:58 PM »
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  • If it proves that Siri was forced from the papacy under
    duress. Them all actions of J23, P6, JP11, and Benedict
    are invalid, including all reforms after 1958, and
    vatican 2 and its sequence reforms are all invalid.
    Why did not a Cardinal talk even from his death bed!
    It just proves that these Cardinals were just materialists,
    and that had a very little in the way of spiritual.
    Why was the oath of secrecy is so important when
    the salvation of souls is much more important.
    If Siri was allowed to assumed the Papacy forums
    like this one may not exist because there would be
    One Holy Catholic Church that existed up to the
    death of Pius Xll.
    It is a mystery why Roncalli took the name of an
    antipope that already reigned John XXlll.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 21, 2010, 11:50:43 PM »
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  • I do not believe that the last John of the GWS has been formally declared an anti-pope. My understanding is that he actually was the one GWS Pope who waxed heretical but that he recanted and it was forgotten.

    There was a prev John 23( or 22?) as an anti-pope though.
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    « Reply #12 on: June 22, 2010, 12:14:45 AM »
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  • Quote
    the best evidence might be the FBI docs cited by Paul Williams.


    He made it up.  There is no such evidence.  The fact that they have to appeal to the "FBI" for information regarding a Papal conclave is in itself ridiculous.  

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    « Reply #13 on: June 22, 2010, 02:07:58 AM »
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  • Malachi Martin  wrote about this in Keys to this Blood. He said that Siri was put under duress in what he calls "the little brutality."

    I think this is a very likely scenario, if he declined the papacy while under duress this woulld maKE HIM THE TRUE POPE. It would be virtually the same if they came in with strongman and just kicked out the old pope and put the new guy on.

    I don't have the reference handy now but I believe he was selected again in 1964 and in 1978, according to Malachia Martin.

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    « Reply #14 on: June 22, 2010, 02:12:43 AM »
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  • Mo is that like the Dimond Bros, M Martin has some things right.  :smoke-pot:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'