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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Augstine Baker on January 27, 2012, 05:20:44 PM
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(Venice, katholisches)The new Patriarch of Venice is one of three such bishoprics in in the Latin Church, which has this honorary title. Pope Benedict XVI has decided for Msgr Francesco Moraglia, the current Bishop of La Spezia. The official release is expected in eight days.
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/01/cardinal-siri-man-appointed-to.html
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Augustine! This is a traditional Catholic Forum! We DO NOT CARE who the Vatican !! church appoints. Thought you would get it with my last post on the topic.
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Augustine! This is a traditional Catholic Forum! We DO NOT CARE who the Vatican !! church appoints. Thought you would get it with my last post on the topic.
Get your own forum, Sede.
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Actually, this is a forum for sede's and non-sede's smart-ass. If anything, its not a place fore feeneyites, as per the forum moderator/ owner, which your link sends viewers here to.
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Actually, this is a forum for sede's and non-sede's smart-ass. If anything, its not a place fore feeneyites, as per the forum moderator/ owner, which your link sends viewers here to.
Sorry, didn't get the memo.
Actually, now that I think about it, if you do as much justice to the forum rules as you do to Catholic Doctrine and interpreting news items and so forth, I'm confident you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
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Actually, this is a forum for sede's and non-sede's smart-ass. If anything, its not a place fore feeneyites, as per the forum moderator/ owner, which your link sends viewers here to.
Sorry, didn't get the memo.
Actually you did. I've re-posted them for you at least once.
Actually, now that I think about it, if you do as much justice to the forum rules as you do to Catholic Doctrine and interpreting news items and so forth, I'm confident you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Cool man.
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Actually, this is a forum for sede's and non-sede's smart-ass. If anything, its not a place fore feeneyites, as per the forum moderator/ owner, which your link sends viewers here to.
Sorry, didn't get the memo.
Actually you did. I've re-posted them for you at least once.
Actually, now that I think about it, if you do as much justice to the forum rules as you do to Catholic Doctrine and interpreting news items and so forth, I'm confident you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Cool man.
You should watch the profanity and the Sede talk.
Isn't the usual Sede slandering and paranoia reserved to a kiddie table in the "church in crisis" area of the forum?
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Augustine Baker appears to be Caminus Pt. 2, starting out slow but gradually revealing his spots. He has the usual acid, vituperative tongue of SSPX attack dogs, along with the lack of substance and penchant for name-calling.
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Augustine Baker appears to be Caminus Pt. 2, starting out slow but gradually revealing his spots. He is a quiver full of bad advice. And he has the usual acid, vituperative tongue of SSPX attack dogs, along with the lack of substance and penchant for name-calling.
Name calling? You'd better look in the mirror.
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Why? What names have I called anyone? I refer to Tele as prideful because he is. Pointing out faults that someone needs to correct for the good of their soul is not the same, sir.
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Don't waste your time Raoul. This guy's a joke.
The best he does is promote his own website....
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Why? What names have I called anyone? I refer to Tele as prideful because he is. Pointing out faults that someone needs to correct for the good of their soul is not the same, sir.
You called me "smart-ass", and called the Holy Father "pridefull", for example.
But mostly, you're just mean-spirited, strident, petty and spiteful as far as I can tell.
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AB:
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Actually I called you a smart-ass. Based on this reply to Emeritana:
Get your own forum, Sede.
Yep. That just about qualifies you. And I'm not even a sede!
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AB:
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:sign-surrender:
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Augustine! This is a traditional Catholic Forum! We DO NOT CARE who the Vatican !! church appoints. Thought you would get it with my last post on the topic.
Well, this is a Catholic forum. At least some of regard this as a Catholic appointment.
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Augustine! This is a traditional Catholic Forum! We DO NOT CARE who the Vatican !! church appoints. Thought you would get it with my last post on the topic.
Get your own forum, Sede.
And there is no need to toss out the term "Sede" like it is a curse.
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(Venice, katholisches)The new Patriarch of Venice is one of three such bishoprics in in the Latin Church, which has this honorary title. Pope Benedict XVI has decided for Msgr Francesco Moraglia, the current Bishop of La Spezia. The official release is expected in eight days.
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/01/cardinal-siri-man-appointed-to.html
Prompted by the recent pictures of Cardinal Siri saying the new mass I decided to look into Cardinal Siri's legacy Genoa. From what i was able to gather so far it looks very good and this appointment is indeed good news. One disgruntled modernist priest from Genoa wrote recently "Cardinal Siri told us 'Do not celebrate the new mass in my diocese, I did not support these changes'"
Of course we don't know exactly what this individual believes but just because he doesn't come out and condemn Vatican II doesn't mean he doesn't have that in his mind.
Another interesting thing I'll add is from an interview with Cardinal Siri from the Jesuit magazine America in 1963.
The interview opens..
"It was good to learn that this brilliant and forceful molder of opinion in the Italian Church had a sense of humor. It came out when he told me how much he relished something that Cardinal Leger, Archbishop of Montreal, whispered to him as they walked along in procession on December 9 at the beginning of that day's canonization ceremonies. It was the day after the first session of the Council had ended . Many of the Bishops had gone home and the seats around the Altar at St. peter's were taken up by seminarians. Cardinal Leger whispered to Siri "Look-the Third Vatican Council!" Cardinal Siri's smile grew wider as he recalled how Cardinal Leger was pointing at the seminarians of Genoa."
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Augustine! This is a traditional Catholic Forum! We DO NOT CARE who the Vatican !! church appoints. Thought you would get it with my last post on the topic.
Get your own forum, Sede.
And there is no need to toss out the term "Sede" like it is a curse.
Last time I checked, this was still an SSPX forum and the Society respects the hierarchy, including the current Holy Father.
I don't know where she gets off.
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Actually I called you a smart-ass. Based on this reply to Emeritana:
Get your own forum, Sede.
Yep. That just about qualifies you. And I'm not even a sede!
You're pretty rude whatever you are.
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You called me "smart-ass", and called the Holy Father "pridefull", for example.
But mostly, you're just mean-spirited, strident, petty and spiteful as far as I can tell.
I can't help but chuckle a bit reading this post... it reminds me of my days on "Catholic" Answers where my posts were labeled as "mean-spirited" for defending Tradition. If anything is "mean-spirited" it's the hyperbole you post about sedevacantism. I wouldn't be so quick to cut down people who aren't fond of Benedict and Vatican II if I were you. Heck, even non-sedes like Bishop Williamson say that Benedict is "sick in the head with modernism". If you can't understand why Trads reject Vatican II, then you need take a break from this forum and gain some knowledge on the subject before you come back.
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You called me "smart-ass", and called the Holy Father "pridefull", for example.
But mostly, you're just mean-spirited, strident, petty and spiteful as far as I can tell.
I can't help but chuckle a bit reading this post... it reminds me of my days on "Catholic" Answers where my posts were labeled as "mean-spirited" for defending Tradition. If anything is "mean-spirited" it's the hyperbole you post about sedevacantism. I wouldn't be so quick to cut down people who aren't fond of Benedict and Vatican II if I were you. Heck, even non-sedes like Bishop Williamson say that Benedict is "sick in the head with modernism". If you can't understand why Trads reject Vatican II, then you need take a break from this forum and gain some knowledge on the subject before you come back.
You're not defending tradition, you guys are just beating each other up.
I don't care, it's your funeral.
There's a lot of rash judgment, pride, presumption, possibly even sins against the Holy Ghost, around here.
Like I said, a lot of you guys just talk out of your hats, anything that feels good to you.
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You called me "smart-ass", and called the Holy Father "pridefull", for example.
But mostly, you're just mean-spirited, strident, petty and spiteful as far as I can tell.
I can't help but chuckle a bit reading this post... it reminds me of my days on "Catholic" Answers where my posts were labeled as "mean-spirited" for defending Tradition. If anything is "mean-spirited" it's the hyperbole you post about sedevacantism. I wouldn't be so quick to cut down people who aren't fond of Benedict and Vatican II if I were you. Heck, even non-sedes like Bishop Williamson say that Benedict is "sick in the head with modernism". If you can't understand why Trads reject Vatican II, then you need take a break from this forum and gain some knowledge on the subject before you come back.
Well said SS, very well said.
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You're not defending tradition, you guys are just beating each other up. I don't care, it's your funeral. There's a lot of rash judgment, pride, presumption, possibly even sins against the Holy Ghost, around here. Like I said, a lot of you guys just talk out of your hats, anything that feels good to you.
Um, excuse me, but are you NOT the same person who said that St. Thomas Aquinas was a heretic? Yet you're saying it is us who use "rash judgement"? I see straight through your hypocrisy, and it doesn't work.
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You're not defending tradition, you guys are just beating each other up. I don't care, it's your funeral. There's a lot of rash judgment, pride, presumption, possibly even sins against the Holy Ghost, around here. Like I said, a lot of you guys just talk out of your hats, anything that feels good to you.
Um, excuse me, but are you NOT the same person who said that St. Thomas Aquinas was a heretic? Yet you're saying it is us who use "rash judgement"? I see straight through your hypocrisy, and it doesn't work.
As far as I know, it's not in the slightest controversial to refer to someone as a material heretic for holding an error without pertinacity or malice, even one as catastrophic as denying there has been a Pope for the last hundred years and that there is salvation outside of the Catholic Church.
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As far as I know, it's not in the slightest controversial to refer to someone as a material heretic for holding an error without pertinacity or malice
He wasn't a heretic because the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception was not a Dogma at the time he was alive. A heretic is someone who's beliefs contradict the Dogmas of the Church. Furthermore, the Church teaches that heretics cannot be saved.
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Augustine! This is a traditional Catholic Forum! We DO NOT CARE who the Vatican !! church appoints. Thought you would get it with my last post on the topic.
Get your own forum, Sede.
And there is no need to toss out the term "Sede" like it is a curse.
Last time I checked, this was still an SSPX forum and the Society respects the hierarchy, including the current Holy Father.
I don't know where she gets off.
Okay. I think the SSPX at least flirts with schism. I think sedevacantism is profoundly mistaken. That doesn't mead I feel the need to use either term as though it is essentially an insult.
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Augustine! This is a traditional Catholic Forum! We DO NOT CARE who the Vatican !! church appoints. Thought you would get it with my last post on the topic.
Get your own forum, Sede.
And there is no need to toss out the term "Sede" like it is a curse.
Last time I checked, this was still an SSPX forum and the Society respects the hierarchy, including the current Holy Father.
I don't know where she gets off.
Okay. I think the SSPX at least flirts with schism. I think sedevacantism is profoundly mistaken. That doesn't mead I feel the need to use either term as though it is essentially an insult.
I want to cultivate good will and all that, but sometimes an embittered individual who really doesn't understand much about what's going on and thinks she does deserves to be addressed.
This isn't her forum. Moreover, she may have posted here for a year, but I've probably been in Traditional circles longer than she's been alive and I frankly don't care what someone like her has to say about much of anything, in the long run.
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As far as I know, it's not in the slightest controversial to refer to someone as a material heretic for holding an error without pertinacity or malice
He wasn't a heretic because the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception was not a Dogma at the time he was alive. A heretic is someone who's beliefs contradict the Dogmas of the Church. Furthermore, the Church teaches that heretics cannot be saved.
I don't think any of your gas station attendants and future street cleaners, or whatever you guys do, is really up to the task of explaining this competently.
St. Thomas wasn't a malicious heretic, in fact, his views were condemned by the University of Paris and competent ecclesiastical authorities.
Not real interested in going round and around with someone I suspect hasn't even studied basic logic or philosophy.
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Augstine, that's not fair and you know it. I am an electrician, and I have probably read more than most.
What grants a person a PHD anyway? Reading.
Heck, I can read too!
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As far as I know, it's not in the slightest controversial to refer to someone as a material heretic for holding an error without pertinacity or malice
He wasn't a heretic because the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception was not a Dogma at the time he was alive. A heretic is someone who's beliefs contradict the Dogmas of the Church. Furthermore, the Church teaches that heretics cannot be saved.
I don't think any of your gas station attendants and future street cleaners, or whatever you guys do, is really up to the task of explaining this competently.
St. Thomas wasn't a malicious heretic, in fact, his views were condemned by the University of Paris and competent ecclesiastical authorities.
Not real interested in going round and around with someone I suspect hasn't even studied basic logic or philosophy.
You simply aren't treating people fairly here. You don't know anything about the backgrounds of the people you are condemning; besides, many of the sedevacantists on this board have studied quite a bit of logic and philosophy, and you know it. So, if you have to rely on knowingly spurious attacks, what does that say about your position ? And, for one who talks about respecting and revering clerics so much, you sure do rip into the Novus Ordo hierarchy -- which you believe to be legitimate clergy -- pretty regularly on your blog. You can't have it both ways.
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As far as I know, it's not in the slightest controversial to refer to someone as a material heretic for holding an error without pertinacity or malice
He wasn't a heretic because the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception was not a Dogma at the time he was alive. A heretic is someone who's beliefs contradict the Dogmas of the Church. Furthermore, the Church teaches that heretics cannot be saved.
I don't think any of your gas station attendants and future street cleaners, or whatever you guys do, is really up to the task of explaining this competently.
St. Thomas wasn't a malicious heretic, in fact, his views were condemned by the University of Paris and competent ecclesiastical authorities.
Not real interested in going round and around with someone I suspect hasn't even studied basic logic or philosophy.
You simply aren't treating people fairly here. You don't know anything about the backgrounds of the people you are condemning; besides, many of the sedevacantists on this board have studied quite a bit of logic and philosophy, and you know it. So, if you have to rely on knowingly spurious attacks, what does that say about your position ? And, for one who talks about respecting and revering clerics so much, you sure do rip into the Novus Ordo hierarchy -- which you believe to be legitimate clergy -- pretty regularly on your blog. You can't have it both ways.
Based on the kinds of typical responses I get from people, I'm thinking that there isn't a lot of formal training in the background. Combine that with the typically bad attitude, and you've got some very trying and presumptuous people on your hands.
Where have I "ripped" into the hierarchy of the Catholic Church?
See, that's what the general problem is around here. There are quite a few posters who shoot their mouths off half-cocked, make rash generalizations and presume to have knowledge they clearly lack.
I typically give these people more respect than they deserve. I'll call them on their childish behavior and they'll like it.
Otherwise put me on ignore.
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Augstine, that's not fair and you know it. I am an electrician, and I have probably read more than most.
What grants a person a PHD anyway? Reading.
Heck, I can read too!
How is it not fair?
Many of the posters act like they've got Cardinal's hats and jump to conclusions based on spurious premises.
How about a little more humility?
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How about a little more humility?
Ditto.
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Augustine! This is a traditional Catholic Forum! We DO NOT CARE who the Vatican !! church appoints. Thought you would get it with my last post on the topic.
Get your own forum, Sede.
Actually, this is a forum for sede's and non-sede's smart-ass. If anything, its not a place fore feeneyites, as per the forum moderator/ owner, which your link sends viewers here to.
Come on boys, can't we all be friends here? Using liberal perjorative labels like Feenyites, Lefebvrist and Sedist is not going to win any friends for anyone. Let's not fall into the modernists tactic of using perjorative labels in order to dismiss by implication the traditionalist arguments, as the misguided theories of a misguided sect leader.
Let your Catholic sources postings expond for you the truths of what you want to bring forward. Resist all ad hmonum attacks, and perjoratives!
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(There's a new one for me. I wrote Lefebvre-ist (all as one word) and it turned into ####. So, that perjorative is not allowed to even be printed!)
PS- that should say above "Let your Catholic sources postings expound for you the truths of what you want to bring forward. Resist all ad hominum attacks, and perjoratives!
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Augustine! This is a traditional Catholic Forum! We DO NOT CARE who the Vatican !! church appoints. Thought you would get it with my last post on the topic.
Get your own forum, Sede.
And there is no need to toss out the term "Sede" like it is a curse.
Last time I checked, this was still an SSPX forum and the Society respects the hierarchy, including the current Holy Father.
I don't know where she gets off.
Okay. I think the SSPX at least flirts with schism. I think sedevacantism is profoundly mistaken. That doesn't mead I feel the need to use either term as though it is essentially an insult.
I want to cultivate good will and all that, but sometimes an embittered individual who really doesn't understand much about what's going on and thinks she does deserves to be addressed.
This isn't her forum. Moreover, she may have posted here for a year, but I've probably been in Traditional circles longer than she's been alive and I frankly don't care what someone like her has to say about much of anything, in the long run.
Well, if you are not interested in what other people have to say, it seems to me that you could find more fulfilling uses of your time than internet forums, which are all about people saying stuff.
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As far as I know, it's not in the slightest controversial to refer to someone as a material heretic for holding an error without pertinacity or malice
He wasn't a heretic because the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception was not a Dogma at the time he was alive. A heretic is someone who's beliefs contradict the Dogmas of the Church. Furthermore, the Church teaches that heretics cannot be saved.
I don't think any of your gas station attendants and future street cleaners, or whatever you guys do, is really up to the task of explaining this competently.
St. Thomas wasn't a malicious heretic, in fact, his views were condemned by the University of Paris and competent ecclesiastical authorities.
Not real interested in going round and around with someone I suspect hasn't even studied basic logic or philosophy.
My undergraduate degree did involve the study of logic and philosophy, and I have a master's degree from an ivy league school. Are these the sort of credentials you think give my opinions weight?
My credentialed opinion is that you are a bit arrogant. I am probably your closest theological companion here. I think Benedict is the pope, that my local bishop is a part of the Catholic hierarchy with whom I must maintain communion, and that the NO is okay if celebrated correctly and that VC II is an official but not infallible council, being pastoral rather than dogmatic. We pretty much agree on this, right? If you strike me as arrogant and condescending, what chance do you have of any kind of fruitful conversation with anyone else?
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Good heavens, someone news is ignoring me. I can't remember posting anything especially crazy lately, but as I have mentioned I am taking Vicodin for a broken arm. If I advocated Pelagianism on some thread somewhere or maybe suggested that Nancy Peℓσѕι wouldn't be such a bad president, I swear it was the meds talking!
:rolleyes:
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As far as I know, it's not in the slightest controversial to refer to someone as a material heretic for holding an error without pertinacity or malice
He wasn't a heretic because the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception was not a Dogma at the time he was alive. A heretic is someone who's beliefs contradict the Dogmas of the Church. Furthermore, the Church teaches that heretics cannot be saved.
I don't think any of your gas station attendants and future street cleaners, or whatever you guys do, is really up to the task of explaining this competently.
St. Thomas wasn't a malicious heretic, in fact, his views were condemned by the University of Paris and competent ecclesiastical authorities.
Not real interested in going round and around with someone I suspect hasn't even studied basic logic or philosophy.
My undergraduate degree did involve the study of logic and philosophy, and I have a master's degree from an ivy league school. Are these the sort of credentials you think give my opinions weight?
My credentialed opinion is that you are a bit arrogant. I am probably your closest theological companion here. I think Benedict is the pope, that my local bishop is a part of the Catholic hierarchy with whom I must maintain communion, and that the NO is okay if celebrated correctly and that VC II is an official but not infallible council, being pastoral rather than dogmatic. We pretty much agree on this, right? If you strike me as arrogant and condescending, what chance do you have of any kind of fruitful conversation with anyone else?
Maybe you're too thin skinned? I don't see you challenging people when they make claims contrary to what you just stated above.
Either you don't have a lot of time to comment, maybe spineless or maybe dishonest, I don't know.
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It's a lot worse to be in a habitual state where you not only presume to have knowledge you don't have, but insist on presenting that ignorance as if it were fact in a habitual and strident way, than it is to be arrogant.
Like I said, if you agree with me on those points, then you should also agree with me that the strident opinions of some of the posters deserve to be challenged.