Author Topic: Cardinal Siri Man Appointed to Patriarchate of Venice (Read 3287 times)

Sigismund · « **Reply #15 on:** January 27, 2012, 07:47:50 PM »

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Augustine! This is a traditional Catholic Forum! We DO NOT CARE who the Vatican !! church appoints. Thought you would get it with my last post on the topic.

Well, this is a Catholic forum. At least some of regard this as a Catholic appointment.

Sigismund · « **Reply #16 on:** January 27, 2012, 07:49:34 PM »

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Quote from: Emerentiana
Augustine! This is a traditional Catholic Forum! We DO NOT CARE who the Vatican !! church appoints. Thought you would get it with my last post on the topic.

Get your own forum, Sede.

And there is no need to toss out the term "Sede" like it is a curse.

Thursday · « **Reply #17 on:** January 27, 2012, 07:54:30 PM »

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(Venice, katholisches)The new Patriarch of Venice is one of three such bishoprics in in the Latin Church, which has this honorary title. Pope Benedict XVI has decided for Msgr Francesco Moraglia, the current Bishop of La Spezia. The official release is expected in eight days.

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/01/cardinal-siri-man-appointed-to.html

Prompted by the recent pictures of Cardinal Siri saying the new mass I decided to look into Cardinal Siri's legacy Genoa. From what i was able to gather so far it looks very good and this appointment is indeed good news. One disgruntled modernist priest from Genoa wrote recently "Cardinal Siri told us 'Do not celebrate the new mass in my diocese, I did not support these changes'"

Of course we don't know exactly what this individual believes but just because he doesn't come out and condemn Vatican II doesn't mean he doesn't have that in his mind.

Another interesting thing I'll add is from an interview with Cardinal Siri from the Jesuit magazine America in 1963.

The interview opens..

"It was good to learn that this brilliant and forceful molder of opinion in the Italian Church had a sense of humor. It came out when he told me how much he relished something that Cardinal Leger, Archbishop of Montreal, whispered to him as they walked along in procession on December 9 at the beginning of that day's canonization ceremonies. It was the day after the first session of the Council had ended . Many of the Bishops had gone home and the seats around the Altar at St. peter's were taken up by seminarians. Cardinal Leger whispered to Siri "Look-the Third Vatican Council!" Cardinal Siri's smile grew wider as he recalled how Cardinal Leger was pointing at the seminarians of Genoa."

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #18 on:** January 27, 2012, 09:21:29 PM »

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Quote from: Emerentiana
Augustine! This is a traditional Catholic Forum! We DO NOT CARE who the Vatican !! church appoints. Thought you would get it with my last post on the topic.

Get your own forum, Sede.

And there is no need to toss out the term "Sede" like it is a curse.

Last time I checked, this was still an SSPX forum and the Society respects the hierarchy, including the current Holy Father.

I don't know where she gets off.

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #19 on:** January 27, 2012, 09:22:14 PM »

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Actually I called you a smart-ass. Based on this reply to Emeritana:

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Get your own forum, Sede.

Yep. That just about qualifies you. And I'm not even a sede!

You're pretty rude whatever you are.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #20 on:** January 27, 2012, 09:31:33 PM »

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You called me "smart-ass", and called the Holy Father "pridefull", for example.

But mostly, you're just mean-spirited, strident, petty and spiteful as far as I can tell.

I can't help but chuckle a bit reading this post... it reminds me of my days on "Catholic" Answers where my posts were labeled as "mean-spirited" for defending Tradition. If anything is "mean-spirited" it's the hyperbole you post about sedevacantism. I wouldn't be so quick to cut down people who aren't fond of Benedict and Vatican II if I were you. Heck, even non-sedes like Bishop Williamson say that Benedict is "sick in the head with modernism". If you can't understand why Trads reject Vatican II, then you need take a break from this forum and gain some knowledge on the subject before you come back.

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #21 on:** January 27, 2012, 09:36:38 PM »

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You called me "smart-ass", and called the Holy Father "pridefull", for example.

But mostly, you're just mean-spirited, strident, petty and spiteful as far as I can tell.

I can't help but chuckle a bit reading this post... it reminds me of my days on "Catholic" Answers where my posts were labeled as "mean-spirited" for defending Tradition. If anything is "mean-spirited" it's the hyperbole you post about sedevacantism. I wouldn't be so quick to cut down people who aren't fond of Benedict and Vatican II if I were you. Heck, even non-sedes like Bishop Williamson say that Benedict is "sick in the head with modernism". If you can't understand why Trads reject Vatican II, then you need take a break from this forum and gain some knowledge on the subject before you come back.

You're not defending tradition, you guys are just beating each other up.

I don't care, it's your funeral.

There's a lot of rash judgment, pride, presumption, possibly even sins against the Holy Ghost, around here.

Like I said, a lot of you guys just talk out of your hats, anything that feels good to you.

s2srea · « **Reply #22 on:** January 27, 2012, 10:00:54 PM »

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Quote from: Augustine Baker
You called me "smart-ass", and called the Holy Father "pridefull", for example.

But mostly, you're just mean-spirited, strident, petty and spiteful as far as I can tell.

I can't help but chuckle a bit reading this post... it reminds me of my days on "Catholic" Answers where my posts were labeled as "mean-spirited" for defending Tradition. If anything is "mean-spirited" it's the hyperbole you post about sedevacantism. I wouldn't be so quick to cut down people who aren't fond of Benedict and Vatican II if I were you. Heck, even non-sedes like Bishop Williamson say that Benedict is "sick in the head with modernism". If you can't understand why Trads reject Vatican II, then you need take a break from this forum and gain some knowledge on the subject before you come back.

Well said SS, very well said.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #23 on:** January 28, 2012, 10:11:47 AM »

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You're not defending tradition, you guys are just beating each other up. I don't care, it's your funeral. There's a lot of rash judgment, pride, presumption, possibly even sins against the Holy Ghost, around here. Like I said, a lot of you guys just talk out of your hats, anything that feels good to you.

Um, excuse me, but are you NOT the same person who said that St. Thomas Aquinas was a heretic? Yet you're saying it is us who use "rash judgement"? I see straight through your hypocrisy, and it doesn't work.

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #24 on:** January 28, 2012, 05:13:51 PM »

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You're not defending tradition, you guys are just beating each other up. I don't care, it's your funeral. There's a lot of rash judgment, pride, presumption, possibly even sins against the Holy Ghost, around here. Like I said, a lot of you guys just talk out of your hats, anything that feels good to you.

Um, excuse me, but are you NOT the same person who said that St. Thomas Aquinas was a heretic? Yet you're saying it is us who use "rash judgement"? I see straight through your hypocrisy, and it doesn't work.

As far as I know, it's not in the slightest controversial to refer to someone as a material heretic for holding an error without pertinacity or malice, even one as catastrophic as denying there has been a Pope for the last hundred years and that there is salvation outside of the Catholic Church.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #25 on:** January 28, 2012, 08:53:21 PM »

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As far as I know, it's not in the slightest controversial to refer to someone as a material heretic for holding an error without pertinacity or malice

He wasn't a heretic because the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception was not a Dogma at the time he was alive. A heretic is someone who's beliefs contradict the Dogmas of the Church. Furthermore, the Church teaches that heretics cannot be saved.

Sigismund · « **Reply #26 on:** January 28, 2012, 08:56:42 PM »

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Quote from: Emerentiana
Augustine! This is a traditional Catholic Forum! We DO NOT CARE who the Vatican !! church appoints. Thought you would get it with my last post on the topic.

Get your own forum, Sede.

And there is no need to toss out the term "Sede" like it is a curse.

Last time I checked, this was still an SSPX forum and the Society respects the hierarchy, including the current Holy Father.

I don't know where she gets off.

Okay. I think the SSPX at least flirts with schism. I think sedevacantism is profoundly mistaken. That doesn't mead I feel the need to use either term as though it is essentially an insult.

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #27 on:** January 28, 2012, 09:59:08 PM »

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Quote from: Emerentiana
Augustine! This is a traditional Catholic Forum! We DO NOT CARE who the Vatican !! church appoints. Thought you would get it with my last post on the topic.

Get your own forum, Sede.

And there is no need to toss out the term "Sede" like it is a curse.

Last time I checked, this was still an SSPX forum and the Society respects the hierarchy, including the current Holy Father.

I don't know where she gets off.

Okay. I think the SSPX at least flirts with schism. I think sedevacantism is profoundly mistaken. That doesn't mead I feel the need to use either term as though it is essentially an insult.

I want to cultivate good will and all that, but sometimes an embittered individual who really doesn't understand much about what's going on and thinks she does deserves to be addressed.

This isn't her forum. Moreover, she may have posted here for a year, but I've probably been in Traditional circles longer than she's been alive and I frankly don't care what someone like her has to say about much of anything, in the long run.

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #28 on:** January 28, 2012, 10:03:06 PM »

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As far as I know, it's not in the slightest controversial to refer to someone as a material heretic for holding an error without pertinacity or malice

He wasn't a heretic because the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception was not a Dogma at the time he was alive. A heretic is someone who's beliefs contradict the Dogmas of the Church. Furthermore, the Church teaches that heretics cannot be saved.

I don't think any of your gas station attendants and future street cleaners, or whatever you guys do, is really up to the task of explaining this competently.

St. Thomas wasn't a malicious heretic, in fact, his views were condemned by the University of Paris and competent ecclesiastical authorities.

Not real interested in going round and around with someone I suspect hasn't even studied basic logic or philosophy.

Gregory I · « **Reply #29 on:** January 28, 2012, 10:15:20 PM »

Augstine, that's not fair and you know it. I am an electrician, and I have probably read more than most.

What grants a person a PHD anyway? Reading.

Heck, I can read too!