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Cardinal Siri and the Dissent of Genoa
« on: April 08, 2012, 04:55:16 PM »
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  • Cardinal Siri and The Dissent of Genoa
     
    In 1938 Pope Pius XI was quoted as saying "When today the Pope dies, you'll get another one tomorrow, because the Church continues. It would be a much bigger tragedy, if Cardinal Pacelli dies, because there is only one. I pray every day, God may send another one into one of our seminaries, but as of today, there is only one in this world."

    After the death of Pius XI, Cardinal Pacelli would become Pope Pius XII, and in 1953, he too would endorse a man for the papacy, 46-year-old Giuseppe Siri, Archbishop of Genoa. As Pius XII made Siri a Cardinal, placing the red hat on his head, a reporter in attendance remarked “this is an historic moment, the Pope meets the next Pope.” In fact, Siri wrote in his now published personal diary, “Pius XII said I had to succeed him, and was preparing for me the same system that Pius XI had prepared for him.”  
     
    Local clergy in Genoa also testify that in the years before the 1958 Conclave, Siri was “seriously preparing himself to succeed Pius XII by keeping up with his languages and studying to remain abreast of all the necessary branches of knowledge.”
             
    What happened then, for those who don’t know, was that on the first day of the 1958  Conclave, 5 minutes of white smoke(1) billowed from atop the Sistine Chapel signaling that a new Pope had been elected. But the new Pope never appeared, and two days later Cardinal Angelo Roncalli arrived on the balcony in St. Peter’s as Pope John XXIII, an unlikely choice for the Holy Ghost but the ideal one for the Communist~Masonic infiltrators and their backers. Roncalli, a Freemason(2), even had the all-seeing-eye engraved on his pectoral cross.

    As to who was elected 2 days prior, the evidence points to Cardinal Siri, whose pontificate was suppressed to clear the way for Vatican II and the new mass. And the changes started almost immediately after the Conclave while Siri, the lawful Pope, was more or less confined to his diocese of Genoa. Recently, this idea has been ridiculed buy some who produced pictures of Cardinal Siri and John Paul II together as well as Siri saying the new mass. It’s hard to imagine how one could take these arguments seriously as a standard photo op is rarely a place where people show their true cards, but nonetheless it prompted a more thorough investigation of Cardinal Siri’s legacy in Genoa to gauge just how much Siri accepted these things.
             
    Before looking at Siri’s record in Genoa, let me point out that the two biggest objections to Cardinal Siri having been elected pope is that he celebrated the new mass and that he acknowledged the other Popes. I’d answer that his acknowledgment of the other Popes was superficial, and that he really had no use for the new mass even though he did celebrate it on at least one occasion. Instead of debating pictures though, let’s hear what the Genoese have to say, after all, he was their archbishop for over 40 years. And why not start with a bit of testimony from a disgruntled Genoese priest who entered the seminary in 1964 and served for 40 years until his recent banishment.  Father Paolo Farinello, who has no love for Cardinal Siri or for tradition writes in his 2007 book,

    “Cardinal Siri, in fact, has never hidden his denigration of the Council and the liturgical reform in particular. In any way he obstructs its implementation in the diocese … We (the seminarians) were trembling with the spirit of the council and each time he (Siri) castrated our passionate enthusiasm by ensuring us that it would take fifty years to remedy the Vatican … He inoculated us unsuspecting with the suspicion that Pope Paul VI was not an orthodox Pope.”

    Farinello writes in another article more recently,

    “Siri told us ‘do not say the new mass in my diocese, I did not vote for these changes.’”
     
    Notice in the first excerpt that he says we were “inoculated unsuspecting that Paul VI was not an orthodox Pope” From this we can infer that Siri was actively resisting the changes in the Church but was doing so covertly, as opposed to his contemporary Archbishop Lefebvre, founder of the SSPX, who did so in the open. There are several reasons why Siri would take this approach, one would be his proximity to the seat of power in Rome and his chance to become Pope at a future conclave. Secondly, he saw the struggle for the Catholic Church as a long term affair that was not going to be settled in his lifetime.

    But let’s look at some other records in order to put the idea that Siri accepted Vatican II and the new popes to rest for good. An exchange between Cardinal Siri and Cardinal Sebastiano Baccio (who appears on many lists of Freemasons in the Vatican ) was published recently in the Italian daily, Il Stampa,

    "They say that once the old curial Cardinal, Sebastiano Baggio, prefect of the powerful Congregation for Bishops in the last phase of the pontificate of Paul VI and the beginning of that of John Paul II, accused Cardinal Siri of growing his seminarians and priests as an island separate from the body of the Italian Church, and that this was not taken into account when they were made bishops. ‘Yes, it's true’ - Siri would respond – ‘we are an island, but my own I taught to swim.’"
     
    And yet another quote from the Italian publication, Vatican Insider,

    "Under Siri, the most faithful and authoritative interpreter of the pontificate of Pius XII, Genoa became the stronghold of the defense of Christianity and the cardinal point of reference for a church closer to tradition than innovation, leading it to its isolation from the rest of the country, particularly after the Council."


    And there is no shortage of quotes from Siri himself, in his interviews with Benny Lai, for example he said that Vatican II “was the worst mistake in history.” He said it would “take the Church 50 years to recover from the pontificate of John XXIII” and many other statements that reveal his true feelings regarding the new “popes” and there innovations.

    So my advice to those trying to grapple with the apparent inconsistency with the photographs of Siri above and the thesis that Siri was the lawful pope, is to ponder Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai’s response when Henry Kissinger’s asked his thoughts  about the French revolution, “it’s too early to tell.” It’s now been forty odd years since Vatican II and the promulgation of Pope Paul VI’s new mass, and the trend towards novelties is long behind us. The traditional seminaries of the SSPX are full to the brim with new vocations and many mainstream Catholics are abandoning their scandal ridden churches for independent traditional parishes, meanwhile, in Italy, a former Siri disciple was just promoted to the See of Venice, a See that produced 3 popes in the last hundred years. And there are the other Siri disciples recently appointed to key positions in the Vatican, Cardinal Bagnasco, President of the Italian Bishops Conference (CEI), Mauro Piacenza, Prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy, and Domenico Calcagno, President of the Apostolic Administration of Assets. Did Cardinal Siri teach his men to swim in the flood of infiltration and modernism with the long range view that they would be positioned to take back the reigns of power when the tide turned against the usurpers? Word from Italy certainly suggests so. And perhaps it will be Cardinal Siri of Genoa, unknown to the outside world throughout his pontificate, who gets the last laugh when the best laid plans of the Anti-Church crumble like the Tower of Babel.

    (1)   Footage of the 1958 white smoke
    (2)   November 12, 2002 Portugal Daily reports that “Virgilio Guito, former head of the Italian Grande Oriente Masonic Lodges, in a statement published by the French newspaper “30 Days”, said: It seems that Pope John XXIII has been initiated in Paris, and participated in the works of the Lodges in Istanbul.”

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    Cardinal Siri and the Dissent of Genoa
    « Reply #1 on: April 08, 2012, 05:42:32 PM »
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  • Cardini Siri fell for Vatican II and the consequent reforms hook, line, and sinker.


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    Cardinal Siri and the Dissent of Genoa
    « Reply #2 on: April 08, 2012, 06:22:32 PM »
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  • ?!

     Did you read what he said about the Council? Did you read about the role played by Siri and Ottiavanni at the Council?  Did you read what was written by his own seminarians in the article above?

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    « Reply #3 on: April 09, 2012, 06:39:51 AM »
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    ?!

     Did you read what he said about the Council? Did you read about the role played by Siri and Ottiavanni at the Council?  Did you read what was written by his own seminarians in the article above?


    Read the article in Tradition in Action about Cardinal Siri.

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    Cardinal Siri and the Dissent of Genoa
    « Reply #4 on: April 09, 2012, 09:13:36 AM »
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  • Ah I see. Any idea who runs that site?

    They don't believe the Siri thesis because he didn't punch JPII in the face when he came to Genoa.


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    « Reply #5 on: April 10, 2012, 03:04:46 PM »
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    Cardini Siri fell for Vatican II and the consequent reforms hook, line, and sinker.


    sigh... :facepalm:

    Do people like you and John Vennari honestly think that the occult secret societies and international bankers that finance and use them were going to allow Cardinal Siri to parade around Genoa for the next 30 years and announce to the world that he was elected pope, that these men are usurpers and that Catholics should disobey. That's just infantile reasoning.

    Five years after overturning the Papal Election these same secret occult forces blew the President's head off in broad daylight in front of an obelisk in Dallas and proceeded to tell the world that some controlled little patsy got one hit threw a growth of trees that did all the damage to the governor and President while ending up pristine on a stretcher.

    They also had President Lincoln's head blew off in a theatre full of people, probably poisoned president Harding on the train, because he was against a central bank in the U.S. There was no autopsy. They said it was a "heart attack". And you've seen what they did to Hussein, Kaddafei et al...

    These people/sects who have control of almost every government on the planet today and the Vatican institution don't play games. They conspire, they kill and they hold black masses where they sacrifice young children to their God Lucifer. You're dealing with people who have supernatural forces protecting and guiding them through the permissive will of God because of the sins of men.

    Listen to what Malichi says in this excellent video I will buy:



    Especially 5 minutes on.

    "The election of Jean XXIII was illegitimate" [null, void, worthless]...

    "It was willed and PLANNED for by forces alien to the Holy Spirit."...

    "It is completely ridiculous to say that any cardinal would have been elected."
    -"Cardinal" Tisserant, Freemason and Dean (Head) of the 1958 Conclave

    Siri was threatened. The Vatican itself may have been threatened. And the Luciferian psychopaths who run the world today don't bluff.
     

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    « Reply #6 on: April 10, 2012, 04:35:10 PM »
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  • Cardinal Siri went along with the revolution during many many many years of his life.  Don't make excuses for him.  He ought to have been willing to die for the sake of the truth.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 10, 2012, 04:49:56 PM »
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    He ought to have been willing to die for the sake of the truth.


    This is what I think and I believe is a valid point. The endless reading into the depths of whatever one can find to justify their notion that Card. Siri 'may' have been a pope in exile is, for me, to far fetched.

    If it is true, we will one day find out; but since its impossible to know one way or the other, I would rather spend my time researching something more fruitful. Even if you could prove that this was the case, assuming you're already a 'sedevecantist', where does this get you; what benefit is there in researching this, apart from being able to say, 'aha!- I've found out something!" Great-  in the meantime we all still recognize the errors of the Modernists too.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 10, 2012, 05:34:30 PM »
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    Cardinal Siri went along with the revolution during many many many years of his life.  Don't make excuses for him.  He ought to have been willing to die for the sake of the truth.


    Perhaps he was willing to die but they would count on that. Maybe he was not willing to put the others that were threatened along with him in the same position. They could have threatened to kill his whole extended family, kill every bishop behind the Iron Curtain, bomb the Vatican etc...

    You don't know. These people are capable of anything. See JFK and 9/11.

    They threaten, they kill, it's what they do.

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    « Reply #9 on: April 10, 2012, 05:40:57 PM »
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    He ought to have been willing to die for the sake of the truth.


    This is what I think and I believe is a valid point. The endless reading into the depths of whatever one can find to justify their notion that Card. Siri 'may' have been a pope in exile is, for me, to far fetched.

    If it is true, we will one day find out; but since its impossible to know one way or the other, I would rather spend my time researching something more fruitful. Even if you could prove that this was the case, assuming you're already a 'sedevecantist', where does this get you; what benefit is there in researching this, apart from being able to say, 'aha!- I've found out something!" Great-  in the meantime we all still recognize the errors of the Modernists too.


    It gets you to the truth of what happened. The explanation for how we ended up here. Yes, you recognize the errors of the modernists but you(or the SSPX position/if that's not you) assume they're in good faith. Which is an absolutely false assumption. Thses men are in the ultimate of bad faith, are evil and can't be trusted. And the Siri Thesis spells out exactly why they can't be trusted. They're usurpers WHO KNOW  [/b] they're in bad faith.

    I would be willing to bet you that the Third Secret uses the term "anti-pope" will be installed or something to that effect. And that he will call and "evil council". Would not be surprised if that's the gist of the Third Secret and circumstantial evidence points to this.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 10, 2012, 06:26:59 PM »
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  • Those who claimed to have read the Third Secret of Fatima never said anything abot the word "antipope" being contained in the Secret.


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    Those who claimed to have read the Third Secret of Fatima never said anything abot the word "antipope" being contained in the Secret.


    Here is the relevant quote from Malichi Martin and the original article Fr. Kramer wrote:

    A Pope Under the Control of Satan?
         
    Malachi Martin, in his last interview on the Art Bell Show, spoke of an Anti-Pope. There was a caller calling in from Australia, and he said that a Jesuit had revealed to him that in the Third Secret it is revealed that there will be, as it were, a pope who was entirely in the control of the devil. Malachi answered, "that sounds like the verbatim words of the Secret."

    http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr80/cr80pg32.asp

    That's the link to Fr. Kramer's article with the Malichi Martin quote.

    Hmmmm.... "McFly is anybody home?"

    Coupled with:
    "But let me continue examining Fr. Kramer’s article. Having assured us that Ratzinger only used a “mental reservation” and was not lying, Fr. Kramer then relates to us the anecdote of a “seminary professor, who is a close friend of Pope John Paul II, and who also knows personally Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger” (p. 36), who, upon reading the Vatican version of the “Third Secret” on June 26, 2000, had the (very reasonable!) impression that this was not the Third Secret, for that would be impossible. So far, so good, but here comes the most interesting part:

    And so he went to the Vatican, he visited Cardinal Ratzinger, and he confronted him. He did not mince his words. He said, “This is impossible! This cannot possibly be the entire Third Secret!” And he insisted that Ratzinger answer him yes or no. “Is this the whole thing? Is this the whole thing, or isn’t it? It cannot be; now you tell me!” Ratzinger admitted, “Truly, that was not all of it.” … He pressed on further for an answer, he would not back off. And he demanded, “What is in the Secret? If that’s not all of it, well, what is there?” Ratzinger’s answer makes it clear. There’s no longer any mystery why they have kept it hidden for so many years…. Ratzinger said that in the Third Secret, Our Lady warns that there will be an evil council. And She warned against the changes: She warned against making changes in the liturgy; changes in the Mass. This is explicitly set forth in the Third Secret.”



    [The Fatima Crusader, Summer 2005 issue (no. 80), p. 36]

          At this point, you should be asking yourself whether you’re waking or dreaming. Did Fr. Kramer just write that “Cardinal” Ratzinger himself has admitted that the Third Secret warned against an evil council and changes to be made to the Mass? In other words, did Ratzinger just admit that the Third Secret condemns Vatican II and the New Mass?
         
    You’d expect Fr. Kramer to lose it at this point and condemn the pharisaical, blasphemous, heretical, deceptive, impious, and Fatima-hating Joseph Ratzinger in the strongest of terms! So Ratzinger knows the truth and deliberately hides it! He is covering up the true Third Secret and is continuing his complicity in the big Fatima cover-up and in building and maintaining the New Church! He knows that Our Lady condemns him, Fr. Joseph Ratzinger, and his wicked works! Having read The Devil’s Final Battle, one would think that this is the last straw Fr. Kramer needed to definitively convict Ratzinger as a pertinacious enemy of the Faith and of Fatima.

          But what does Fr. Kramer do instead? He merely notes:

    However, men like Cardinal Ratzinger believe that the word of the Second Vatican Council is equivalent to the word of God. They cannot believe that there was any evil in the Council. And so they choose not to believe the Message of Fatima. And this is why Cardinal Ratzinger made a suggestion that the apparition of the Lady of Fatima is something conjured up in the imagination of Sister Lucy.



    [p. 36]

          This is unbelievable! At long last, Fr. Kramer had all he needed to expose the fraud that is Ratzinger, and what does he do? He proceeds to find excuses for him! And lame ones at that! Ratzinger simply “cannot believe” that Vatican II is the council mentioned in the Third Secret? Is Fr. Kramer kidding?? And I suppose Ratzinger also sincerely “cannot believe” that the changes to be made to the Mass could refer to the “banal on-the-spot product” (Ratzinger’s own words) of the New Mass? If you can believe this, perhaps I could sell you my little 2001 KIA for a good price….

          Fr. Kramer is acting as though Benedict XVI were in good faith about this, an utter absurdity if there ever was one. After all that he exposed about Ratzinger in the Devil’s Final Battle, the last thing you could say is that Ratzinger is “innocently misled” about all this.
         
    Which brings me to another important point. What we just read here was the long-awaited admission by a high-ranking Vatican official that the Third Secret of Fatima, penned in the 1930’s, is about what we all more or less assumed it was about, namely, a heavenly warning against the wicked Second Vatican Council, the New Mass, and the loss of Faith resulting therefrom (cf. The Devil's Final Battle, pp. 32-33, 167-170). So, let me ask you something: how come this hasn’t made the biggest headlines in the Fatima Crusader and similar publications? This is, essentially, the story they were waiting for: the true content of the Third Secret! Why is it not the top story at www.fatima.org or at least in the pages of the Fatima Crusader? Why is this buried in the middle of a lengthy article in an issue opposing sedevacantism? Why have other similar publications not picked up on this (at least I'm not aware that they have)? This is practically the mother of all news stories, the smoking gun! Short of perhaps St. Pius X coming back to life and putting an end to the Novus Ordo church, this is the story they (and also we sedevacantists) had been waiting for!" From:

    http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/05Oct/oct7mdi.htm

    Put 2+2 together. Use the mind that God gave you. Think...

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    « Reply #12 on: April 10, 2012, 07:08:26 PM »
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    I would be willing to bet you that the Third Secret uses the term "anti-pope" will be installed or something to that effect. And that he will call and "evil council". Would not be surprised if that's the gist of the Third Secret and circumstantial evidence points to this.



    And herein lies the issue I take with the Siri Thesis. It will forever remain just that, a Thesis; and the same with sedevecantism, in  my opinion, but that is another matter.

    There is no denying: only the future will clarify all of this horrible mess we're in; and I, for one, am not willing to bet my faith on something so obscure.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 10, 2012, 07:22:10 PM »
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  • Here's the two articles I referenced without the excerpts. Read them and come to your own conclusions:

    http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr80/cr80pg32.asp

    http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/05Oct/oct7mdi.htm
     
    And I heard that interview on Art Bell's "Coast to Coast AM" the night he said that a Pope under the control of Satan was, "very close" to the Third Secret. One day I'll try to find that program and post that exchange.

    What could "BE CLOSE" to that. "ALMOST VERBATIM". Think...

    The secret was to be released to the world by 1960.

    What events happened between October 1958 and 1965. Think.. Deduce... Reason... :reporter: :detective: :idea: :faint: :dwarf:

    I used to think that the Blessed Mother made a mistake in saying to release the 3rd secret in 1960 because she would know it would be too late. But she did not. She said "by 1960". It could have been released anytime before that even by the Bishop of Fatima. But it was God's will that we undergo this punishment. She said no later than 1960 because being the Queen of Prophets she knew or was in the know through her Son what was going to take place in 1958 and 1962-65 so she picked the year right in between those two events. Also the year the Council was announced was 1959, and it began preparations in 1960. She knew people like us would be able to figure out one day what was in her secret.

    Especially after given proof that the Vatican lied in 2000 about the supposed "Third Secret".

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    « Reply #14 on: April 10, 2012, 07:24:21 PM »
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  • I'm an idiot:

    "Malachi Martin, in his last interview on the Art Bell Show"

    I'll have to try to see if it's on line for free and than post it. Fr. Kramer said it was the "last" interview. I should read closer what I post. :facepalm:

     

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