Author Topic: Cardinal Rampolla and the O.T.O. (Read 3735 times)

AveMaria58 · « **on:** June 22, 2012, 12:36:16 PM »

:applause:Please help me find information which would be helpful in clearing the good name of Cardinal Rampolla. He is cited to have been a member of the O.T.O. I believe this information is false, and have been finding information given by various sources, but need something concrete. In looking up the so called "Veto" of Franz Joseph I of Austria, I found the word "Josephinism" Seems the Habsburg Family pretty much jumped ship from blocking Masonic Practices around 1780-1787. Joseph II made a conscious attempt to reorder the rule of his lands using "Enlightened principles." At the heart of this "Josephinism" lay the idea of the unitary state, with a centralized, efficient government, rational and mostly secular society, with greater degrees of equality and freedom, and fewer arbitrary feudal institutions. He also made the Edict of Tolerance of 1782 which opened the door to Protestant and Orthodox Christian Religions, which were allowed to be built, etc. Catholic historians claimed that there was an alliance between Joseph and anti-clerical Freemasons. In the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1913, it is noted "In Germany and Austria, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ during the eighteenth century was a powerful ally of the so-called party, of "Enlightenment" (Aufklaerung) and of Jsephinism" from "Masonry (Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ)". When Hanz Joseph I made objection and tried to Veto the election of Rampolla to the Papacy, it most likely had to do with their attachment to Masonry, and not their intolerance of Masonry, according to Historical evidence. Remember, under Leo XIII, with whom Rampolla was Secretary of State, Pope Leo XIII wrote the encyclical "Humanum Genus" which was against Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

I'm going to do more research into Rampolla, but to date have found nothing in writing which would indicate he had any ties to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. Whoever published this information is probably a Mason themselves. If, by decrying Rampolla, they can put in league with him Pope Leo XIII, Pope St. Pius X, and Benedict XV, Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII. I am deeply grieved over all of this, and want to put it to rest, but I need some help. Docuмents can be falsified.

I've read 4 books on Pope St. Pius X and not one of them said the good Pope ever said anything contrary to Rampolla. Rampolla enjoyed trust by Pius X during his entire life. There was nothing said contrary about Rampolla which I can surmise.

Please help me with all of this, and do help me with the research. I've got the books written on the Popes which are Pre-Vatican II. I am not much interested in anything written after Vatican II. There are many enemies within, and I want information which is tangible and not hear-say.

roscoe · « **Reply #1 on:** June 22, 2012, 05:04:39 PM »

Quote from: AveMaria58

:applause:Please help me find information which would be helpful in clearing the good name of Cardinal Rampolla. He is cited to have been a member of the O.T.O. I believe this information is false, and have been finding information given by various sources, but need something concrete. In looking up the so called "Veto" of Franz Joseph I of Austria, I found the word "Josephinism" Seems the Habsburg Family pretty much jumped ship from blocking Masonic Practices around 1780-1787. Joseph II made a conscious attempt to reorder the rule of his lands using "Enlightened principles." At the heart of this "Josephinism" lay the idea of the unitary state, with a centralized, efficient government, rational and mostly secular society, with greater degrees of equality and freedom, and fewer arbitrary feudal institutions. He also made the Edict of Tolerance of 1782 which opened the door to Protestant and Orthodox Christian Religions, which were allowed to be built, etc. Catholic historians claimed that there was an alliance between Joseph and anti-clerical Freemasons. In the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1913, it is noted "In Germany and Austria, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ during the eighteenth century was a powerful ally of the so-called party, of "Enlightenment" (Aufklaerung) and of Jsephinism" from "Masonry (Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ)". When Hanz Joseph I made objection and tried to Veto the election of Rampolla to the Papacy, it most likely had to do with their attachment to Masonry, and not their intolerance of Masonry, according to Historical evidence. Remember, under Leo XIII, with whom Rampolla was Secretary of State, Pope Leo XIII wrote the encyclical "Humanum Genus" which was against Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

I'm going to do more research into Rampolla, but to date have found nothing in writing which would indicate he had any ties to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. Whoever published this information is probably a Mason themselves. If, by decrying Rampolla, they can put in league with him Pope Leo XIII, Pope St. Pius X, and Benedict XV, Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII. I am deeply grieved over all of this, and want to put it to rest, but I need some help. Docuмents can be falsified.

I've read 4 books on Pope St. Pius X and not one of them said the good Pope ever said anything contrary to Rampolla. Rampolla enjoyed trust by Pius X during his entire life. There was nothing said contrary about Rampolla which I can surmise.

Please help me with all of this, and do help me with the research. I've got the books written on the Popes which are Pre-Vatican II. I am not much interested in anything written after Vatican II. There are many enemies within, and I want information which is tangible and not hear-say.

Over the past 2 yrs I have spent considerable time in this forum attempting to debunk the Rampolla was a mason slander.

Don Ricossa's article clearing him is posted somewhere in the archives. The search function here is somewhat inadequate so good luck. It might be easier to scroll back through the Crisis In The Church section.

Some good info can be found in Prisoner of The Vatican and Popes Against The Judaix by D Kertzer. Also Life of Leo XIII by F Furey and Papal Chamberlain by Mc Nutt.

A list of some who have swallowed the Rampolla was a mason kool aid includes

H Gibson
J Vennari
C Hiembichner
Y Chiron(sspx)
P Compton

Forum members
Raoul
GV

The relationship of C Rampolla to Della Chiesa has been misunderstood. The truth is that they only saw each other 4 or 5 times over the last 26 yrs of his life and always at the instigation of the latter. Rampolla, Popes Leo & Pius X as well as Card Raphael and all suspected Benedict XV(15?) as a modernist. And not necessarily because he shut down Sodalatium Pianum.

Thank U for the post.

songbird · « **Reply #2 on:** June 22, 2012, 07:19:19 PM »

Fr. Radecki twins of CMRI write a lot in history I would suggest them.

songbird · « **Reply #3 on:** June 22, 2012, 07:24:41 PM »

Fr. Radecki in the book "Tumultuous Times"Page 521-522, using "They Keys of this Blood" by Malachi Martin, P 678, stating that Rampolla had joined the Lodge of the Freemasons.

That is all I have for you.

songbird · « **Reply #4 on:** June 22, 2012, 10:53:38 PM »

Also try the In Spirit of Chartres committee. ISOC witH Judi and John Sharpe. Their son John Jr. is very knowledgable and the ISOC have contacts with many other speakers who may be history buffs.

roscoe · « **Reply #5 on:** June 22, 2012, 11:19:16 PM »

Quote from: songbird

Fr. Radecki in the book "Tumultuous Times"Page 521-522, using "They Keys of this Blood" by Malachi Martin, P 678, stating that Rampolla had joined the Lodge of the Freemasons.

That is all I have for you.

I guess we have 2 more slanderers of Card Rampolla-- make that 4 as I now recall the list includes Mrs Martinez & Dimonds.

Thursday · « **Reply #6 on:** June 23, 2012, 08:36:43 AM »

Is the OP still with us?

I think Rampolla was a member of the OTO but others who opinions I respect aren't so sure. There was a response to Fr. Ricossa by a french (Felic Causa) writer who knew Bishop Jouin. I translated some of the article and Roscoe and I had some exchanges in this thread.

http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?a=topic&t=16520&min=0&num=10

songbird · « **Reply #7 on:** June 23, 2012, 01:15:11 PM »

Blood on the altar by Craig Heimbichner page 99 under "Rome and the OTO". Records show Cardinal Rampolla on the list as a Freemason in 1917. He worked with Pope Leo XIII. Monsignor Ernest Jouin, was alert of secret societies of Freemasons. Emperor Franz Josef was persuaded to veto the election of a Pope. Cardinal Puzyna of Krakow pronounced a veto of the election of Rampolla under the treaty of "Right of Exclusion". Once the facts were verified, Rampolla was finished. After Rampolla's death, his membership in the OTO was confirmed.

roscoe · « **Reply #8 on:** June 23, 2012, 01:30:00 PM »

Just like all the other slanderers of Card Rampolla, the prev poster is a liar. I think I will take the word of Popes Leo & Pius & Card Raphael over songbird, Hiembichner et al. Msg Jouin was duped and it is Franz Joseph( no friend of the αssαssιnαtҽd Franz- Ferdinand) who is the Freemason. Thank U very much.

songbird · « **Reply #9 on:** June 23, 2012, 04:41:01 PM »

Roscoe: If you say this, please give us your sources, don't be name calling. Those who do their homework should be commended for it and so that I can learn something too. So, give me your sources.

songbird · « **Reply #10 on:** June 23, 2012, 05:19:17 PM »

If you Prove that Rampolla was no freemason, what do yo gain by that knowledge? Are you writing a book? But after searching for so long, what is the purpose?

roscoe · « **Reply #11 on:** June 23, 2012, 07:19:03 PM »

The sources have already been given above. It may be of help to consult the judaix encyclopedia articles on Popes Leo & Pius as well. If U trust the above named libelers of Card Rampolla that is your own business. I trust Popes Leo, Pius and Card Raphael.

roscoe · « **Reply #12 on:** June 23, 2012, 07:24:21 PM »

Any piece of paper accusing Card Rampolla as a 'secret mason in the OTO' is as fraudulent as any claiming Fr Feeney was called to Rome or ex- commed because he failed to comply.

songbird · « **Reply #13 on:** June 23, 2012, 07:57:06 PM »

Judiax? Is that Jєωιѕн? Again, what is your purpose to prove your point? If you prove it, where does it lead you to?

roscoe · « **Reply #14 on:** June 23, 2012, 08:02:46 PM »

the truth

Asking someone to prove a negative a is clear indication that U have Zero