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Did His Holiness Pope John XXIII, with his last words, wish to stop the Council that was in progress? That is what some of his friends like Jean Guitton have documented: "That Pope John XXIII wanted to close the Council after its first session was affirmed by John Cardinal Heenan of England (see source in linked post) and by Catholic philosopher Jean Guitton the only lay peritus at Vatican II." From St. Benedict's Centre https://catholicism.org/last-words-of-john-xxiii-stop-the-council.html

"Regarding the changes since Vatican II, Professor James Daly wrote:
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It is one thing to pull off a revolution, quite another to do so and then have the gall to pretend that nothing “substantial” has been changed. It is not enough for our liturgical Robespierres to win; they must go on to claim that they never used the guillotine.[1]
Revolution was apparent very early on.  According to Anne Muggeridge (the daughter-in-law of the famous British Catholic convert and journalist Malcolm Muggeridge), John Cardinal Heenan of Westminster reported that when, during the rebellious first session of the Council, Pope John XXIII realized that the papacy had lost control of the process, he attempted to organize a group of bishops to try to force it to an end. But before the second session of the Council could open, Pope John XXIII died. His last words on his deathbed, as reported by Jean Guitton, the only Catholic layman to serve as a peritus at the Council, were: "Stop the Council; stop the Council." (The Desolate City) From: https://www.tldm.org/news6/vaticanii-3.htm

Also, "Before the end of Vatican II, in February 1965, someone announced to Padre Pio that soon he would have to celebrate the Mass according to a new rite, in the vernacular, which had been devised by a conciliar liturgical commission. Immediately, even before seeing the text, he wrote to Paul VI to ask him to be dispensed from the liturgical experiment, and to be able to continue to celebrate the Mass of St. Pius V. When Cardinal Bacci came to see him in order to bring the authorization, Padre Pio let a complaint escape in the presence of the Pope's messenger: "For pity sake, end the Council quickly."

Vatican II: “the Council that has brought forth discord, disunity, and the loss of souls”
"I repeat, My children, as I have told you in the past, that the great Council of Vatican II was manipulated by satan. He sat there among you and he worked you like a chessboard.
  "What can you do now to recover? It is simple, My children: turn back and start over with the foundation given to you. You must bring respect back to your priesthood. You must bring respect back to your Holy Father...!" - Our Lady of the Roses, May 15, 1976"

The Pope must have seen a nightmare vision of the terrible future that would be unleashed upon the world after Vatican II. Thoughts?
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Re: Last Words of H.H. Pope John XXIII: "Stop the Council. Stop the Council!"
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2019, 01:24:14 PM »
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  • Why would the Pope need to gather a group of bishops to bring the Council to a close?  He could have instantly dissolved it.


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    Re: Last Words of H.H. Pope John XXIII: "Stop the Council. Stop the Council!"
    « Reply #2 on: November 12, 2019, 03:17:59 PM »
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  • Why would the Pope need to gather a group of bishops to bring the Council to a close?  He could have instantly dissolved it.
    Unless he knew and the cardinals knew he wasn't the pope.

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    Re: Last Words of H.H. Pope John XXIII: "Stop the Council. Stop the Council!"
    « Reply #3 on: November 12, 2019, 03:38:08 PM »
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  • Unless he knew and the cardinals knew he wasn't the pope.
    Irrelevant. He'd just have to publicly order its dissolution and the council would be seen as false and schismatic by the faithful. How could the cardinals have objected? By declaring, "this man is not the pope!"? That would hardly have helped their case, as then they would be declaring that the council was convoked by a false pope. 

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    Re: Last Words of H.H. Pope John XXIII: "Stop the Council. Stop the Council!"
    « Reply #4 on: November 12, 2019, 03:40:32 PM »
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  • Did His Holiness Pope John XXIII, with his last words, wish to stop the Council that was in progress? Thoughts?
    Read what he did to Abp. L and the group he headed. That should answer your question. 
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    Re: Last Words of H.H. Pope John XXIII: "Stop the Council. Stop the Council!"
    « Reply #5 on: November 12, 2019, 03:44:13 PM »
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  • "one may ask what a pope has to do with revolution. In the case of the Roman Catholic Church, everything. While it would be hard to find a guerrilla movement, be it the Italian Red Brigades or the Peruvian Shining Path that was not inspired and directed by university students and professors, in the Church with its unbudgeable hierarchical structure, the intellectual top, the level at which theologians move, is not high enough. Any mutation in doctrine or practice must come from the very top, from the papacy itself. There is no other way." (Mary Ball Martinez, The Undermining of the Catholic Church )
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Last Words of H.H. Pope John XXIII: "Stop the Council. Stop the Council!"
    « Reply #6 on: November 12, 2019, 03:58:59 PM »
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  • Read what he did to Abp. L and the group he headed. That should answer your question.
    What are you referring to?


     

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