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Offline Geremia

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Victoria Police announce Cardinal George Pell has been charged with historical sex offences.

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WATCH the whole press conference where @VictoriaPolice announce Cardinal George Pell has been charged with historical sex offences. pic.twitter.com/kiyGv691Q9
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Re: Cardinal George Pell has been charged with "historical sex offences"
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2017, 09:49:24 AM »
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  • One of many that will be going down.


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    Re: Cardinal George Pell has been charged with "historical sex offences"
    « Reply #2 on: June 29, 2017, 12:48:38 PM »
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  • I don't understand why some (pseudo?)trads are touting him as some kind of traditionalist, saying that he criticizes Francis (does he?) and that he supports the "Extraordinary Form" (does he?).

    His debate with Dawkins, in which he says Adam & Eve are myths, is enough info one needs to classify him as a Modernist heretic:
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    TONY JONES: So are you talking about a kind of Garden of Eden scenario with an actual Adam and Eve?

    GEORGE PELL: Well, Adam and Eve are terms - what do they mean: life and earth. It’s like every man. That’s a beautiful, sophisticated, mythological account. It’s not science but it’s there to tell us two or three things. First of all that God created the world and the universe. Secondly, that the key to the whole of universe, the really significant thing, are humans and, thirdly, it is a very sophisticated mythology to try to explain the evil and suffering in the world.

    TONY JONES: But it isn’t a literal truth. You shouldn't see it in any way as being an historical or literal truth?

    GEORGE PELL: It’s certainly not a scientific truth and it’s a religious story told for religious purposes.

    TONY JONES: Just quickly, because the Old Testament in particular is full of these kind of stories, I mean is there a point where you distinguish between metaphor and reality? For example, Moses receiving the Ten Commandments inscribed directly by God on a mountain?

    GEORGE PELL: I’m not sure that the Old Testament says that God inscribed the Ten Commandments but leaving that aside it’s difficult to know how exactly that worked but Moses was a great man. There was a great encounter with the divine. Actually, with Moses we get the key that enables us to come together with the Greeks with reason because Moses said who will I tell the Egyptians and he tell that my name is "I am who I am".

    TONY JONES: Okay, I’m just going to...

    GEORGE PELL: And we’ll come back to that.

    TONY JONES: I’m just going to bring Richard Dawkins back in here because we’ve moved from evolution obviously to the biblical versions of it. Your response.

    RICHARD DAWKINS: Well, I’m curious to know if Adam and Eve never existed where did original sin come from?
    The 1909 Pontifical Biblical Commission condemns Pell, who holds that Genesis is both a mythology simply a "religious story":
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    II: Notwithstanding the historical character and form of Genesis, the special connection of the first three chapters with one another and with the following chapters, the manifold testimonies of the Scriptures both of the Old and of the New Testaments, the almost unanimous opinion of the holy Fathers and the traditional view which the people of Israel also has handed on and the Church has always held, may it be taught that: the aforesaid three chapters of Genesis Contain not accounts of actual events, accounts, that is, which correspond to objective reality and historical truth, but, either fables derived from the mythologies and cosmogonies of ancient peoples and accommodated by the sacred writer to monotheistic doctrine after the expurgation of any polytheistic error; or allegories and symbols without any foundation in objective reality proposed under the form of history to inculcate religious and philosophical truths; or finally legends in part historical and in part fictitious freely composed with a view to instruction and edification?
     Answer: In the negative to both parts.
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    Re: Cardinal George Pell has been charged with "historical sex offences"
    « Reply #3 on: June 29, 2017, 04:46:50 PM »
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  • I don't understand why some (pseudo?)trads are touting him as some kind of traditionalist, saying that he criticizes Francis (does he?) and that he supports the "Extraordinary Form" (does he?).

    His debate with Dawkins, in which he says Adam & Eve are myths, is enough info one needs to classify him as a Modernist heretic:The 1909 Pontifical Biblical Commission condemns Pell, who holds that Genesis is both a mythology simply a "religious story":
    I don't know why, but it is incredible.  I've never read any criticisms by Fr. Pell of Bergoglio so I don't know what these supposed criticisms are.  I did read that he authorized the indult to be said in his diocese in Australia and that is enough for many people to say he "supports" that "form".

    A few years ago, the indult parish in Indianapolis published his article in its bulletin all about how Jєωs, Muslims, and Christians worship the "same God".  A few people in the parish talked to the pastor about this which opened their eyes to the complete faithlessness of the Conciliar sect.  The Dawkins debate came a long time later.  You are absolutely correct in your assessment of that debate.  

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    Re: Cardinal George Pell has been charged with "historical sex offences"
    « Reply #4 on: June 29, 2017, 06:15:26 PM »
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  • A few years ago, the indult parish in Indianapolis published his article in its bulletin all about how Jєωs, Muslims, and Christians worship the "same God". A few people in the parish talked to the pastor about this which opened their eyes to the complete faithlessness of the Conciliar sect.
    This characteristic of Neo-Modernism.
    The Dawkins debate came a long time later.
    Even the "Paleo"-Modernists (e.g., Loisy et al.) said such a thing.
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    Re: Cardinal George Pell has been charged with "historical sex offences"
    « Reply #5 on: June 30, 2017, 12:52:32 PM »
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  • One of many that will be going down.
    Including the anti-pope Frank 1 :boxer:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    Re: Cardinal George Pell has been charged with "historical sex offences"
    « Reply #8 on: July 01, 2017, 07:18:09 AM »
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  • :sleep:

    'Judge not less you shall be judged' were Christ's words. How dare you make a joke of it.


    http://www.themediareport.com/2017/06/30/cardinal-pell-case-facts/

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    Re: Cardinal George Pell has been charged with "historical sex offences"
    « Reply #9 on: July 01, 2017, 01:40:55 PM »
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  • 'Judge not less you shall be judged' were Christ's words. How dare you make a joke of it.


    http://www.themediareport.com/2017/06/30/cardinal-pell-case-facts/
    :confused:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'