Author Topic: Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction" (Read 12519 times)

cassini · « **Reply #15 on:** November 18, 2016, 06:31:02 AM »

Bet Clinton's FBI 'all-clear' is only trotting after Francis when it comes to his worming out of heretical accusations. Moderns manipulate the papacy just as the seculars manipulaste their positions of power.

Geremia · « **Reply #16 on:** November 18, 2016, 09:52:19 AM »

Quote from: LifeSiteNews

BREAKING: In wake of 4 Cardinals letter, Pope Francis rebukes ‘legalism’ of Amoris Laetitia critics

November 18, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) – Pope Francis has criticized the "legalism" of Catholics raising concern about his apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia mere days after four cardinals went public with their request that he clarify it.

“Some, as with certain responses to Amoris Laetitia, persist in seeing only white or black, when rather one ought to discern in the flow of life," Pope Francis said in an interview with Avvenire. "But these critiques – if they’re not from an evil spirit – do help. Some types of rigorism spring from the desire to hide one’s own dissatisfaction under armour."

On Monday, Cardinals Raymond Burke, Joachim Meisner, Walter Brandmüller, and Carlo Caffarra published a letter asking Pope Francis to answer five "yes or no" questions which would immediately clarify the meaning of the confusion-plagued docuмent on points where theologians, priests, and even bishops have offered contradicting interpretations.

Their September 19, 2016 letter, called a "dubia," went unanswered, so the cardinals released it to the faithful with a note explaining their concerns.

Pope Francis took the unusual step this week of cancelling a scheduled meeting with the world's cardinals at this weekend's consistory. He will officially make a handful of bishops, including three Americans, cardinals this weekend.

According to the National Catholic Register's Ed Pentin, sources have told him Pope Francis is "not happy at all" and "boiling with rage."

Hypocritically, Pharisee Francis, forcing others to abide by the Pharisaical, manmade Vatican II "legalism" (or "super-dogma"), accuses those of abiding by God's law as legalistic!

:heretic:

Incredulous · « **Reply #17 on:** November 18, 2016, 11:24:48 AM »

He's angry and views the Cardinal's correction as an "ιnѕυrrєcтισn".

Alexandria · « **Reply #18 on:** November 18, 2016, 11:41:02 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous

He's angry and views the Cardinal's correction as an "ιnѕυrrєcтισn".

:surprised: He's wearing purple! :surprised: Do you think he got Hillary's memo re: the "Purple Revolution"? :scratchchin:

Alexandria · « **Reply #19 on:** November 18, 2016, 11:42:05 AM »

Quote from: Geremia

Quote from: LifeSiteNews
BREAKING: In wake of 4 Cardinals letter, Pope Francis rebukes ‘legalism’ of Amoris Laetitia critics

November 18, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) – Pope Francis has criticized the "legalism" of Catholics raising concern about his apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia mere days after four cardinals went public with their request that he clarify it.

“Some, as with certain responses to Amoris Laetitia, persist in seeing only white or black, when rather one ought to discern in the flow of life," Pope Francis said in an interview with Avvenire. "But these critiques – if they’re not from an evil spirit – do help. Some types of rigorism spring from the desire to hide one’s own dissatisfaction under armour."

On Monday, Cardinals Raymond Burke, Joachim Meisner, Walter Brandmüller, and Carlo Caffarra published a letter asking Pope Francis to answer five "yes or no" questions which would immediately clarify the meaning of the confusion-plagued docuмent on points where theologians, priests, and even bishops have offered contradicting interpretations.

Their September 19, 2016 letter, called a "dubia," went unanswered, so the cardinals released it to the faithful with a note explaining their concerns.

Pope Francis took the unusual step this week of cancelling a scheduled meeting with the world's cardinals at this weekend's consistory. He will officially make a handful of bishops, including three Americans, cardinals this weekend.

According to the National Catholic Register's Ed Pentin, sources have told him Pope Francis is "not happy at all" and "boiling with rage."
Hypocritically, Pharisee Francis, forcing others to abide by the Pharisaical, manmade Vatican II "legalism" (or "super-dogma"), accuses those of abiding by God's law as legalistic!

:heretic:

"Boiling with rage."

I understand he has quite the temper. :boxer:

Geremia · « **Reply #20 on:** November 18, 2016, 06:47:51 PM »

Quote from: Alexandria

"Boiling with rage."

I understand he has quite the temper. :boxer:

That quote from Ed Pentin is in the World Over segment that begins @27:11:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/2S4pjNkvxu0#t=27m11s[/youtube]

Geremia · « **Reply #21 on:** November 18, 2016, 08:06:39 PM »

Quote from: Geremia

That quote from Ed Pentin is in the World Over segment that begins @27:11:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/2S4pjNkvxu0#t=27m11s[/youtube]

Royal tries to explain Francis's non-response by saying the 4 Cardinals asked both theoretical and practical questions. To the theoretical one, Royal said, Francis could not answer because apparently the Church can't determine whether circuмstances can make an intrinsic evil a good!

cf. Summa Theologica I-II q. 7, "Of the circuмstances of human acts"

Incredulous · « **Reply #22 on:** November 18, 2016, 11:21:56 PM »

Quote from: Geremia

Quote from: Alexandria
"Boiling with rage."

I understand he has quite the temper. :boxer:
That quote from Ed Pentin is in the World Over segment that begins @27:11:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/2S4pjNkvxu0#t=27m11s[/youtube]

At 31:20, Robert Royal expresses doubt that the Cardinal's efforts will succeed, unless there are other religious to join them (i.e, Cardinals, Bishops).

This begs the question, why aren't the Holy xSPX leaders speaking-out and joining their fratres to defend the Faith ?

Msgr. Fellay assures his faithful the SSPX will strive for changes inside the Church, but it's clear they will not be public. He wouldn't want to embarrass the pope.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #23 on:** November 19, 2016, 01:15:34 AM »

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Msgr. Fellay assures his faithful the SSPX will strive for changes inside the Church...

Changes, sure, but with caution and being careful of over-zealousness: Not too much!

The penchant to say, "Not too much!" has been known as Jansenism.

+Fellay and +de Galarreta are in the top row, while +de Mallerais has his miter on.

+Williamson is conspicuous by his absence.

Incredulous · « **Reply #24 on:** November 19, 2016, 09:37:09 AM »

Yeah... and +W is still absent.

Being a Bishop and all, instead of sitting around his home reading Catholic Family News,
shouldn't he be writing a critique on Amoris Laetitia?

This is the stuff Trad "Resistant" Bishops do isn't it?

Geremia · « **Reply #25 on:** November 19, 2016, 09:51:56 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous

+W is still absent.

Being a Bishop and all, instead of sitting around his home reading Catholic Family News,
shouldn't he be writing a critique on Amoris Laetitia?

A search of his Eleison Comments for "Amoris" returns no results…

Christopher67 · « **Reply #26 on:** November 19, 2016, 05:34:50 PM »

This is a good thing in a world where it's hard to find "good things". Instead of dumping on these 4 Cardinals, maybe some encouragement ??? Sometimes you have to strike the bush with a stick to expose the snakes.

Alexandria · « **Reply #27 on:** November 21, 2016, 01:23:34 PM »

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This begs the question, why aren't the Holy xSPX leaders speaking-out and joining their fratres to defend the Faith ?

I didn't even think of that, so used to thinking of them outside the Church I am.

But you are right. Why didn't they pipe up? Too shy? :rolleyes:

Alexandria · « **Reply #28 on:** November 21, 2016, 01:28:42 PM »

Quote from: Geremia

Quote from: Alexandria
"Boiling with rage."

I understand he has quite the temper. :boxer:
That quote from Ed Pentin is in the World Over segment that begins @27:11:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/2S4pjNkvxu0#t=27m11s[/youtube]

Thanks for that, Geremia.

There was an article in our local propaganda Sunday paper about the consistory and also about this letter from the Cardinals to Francis. One of the new cardinals commented and said something to the effect that nothing is black and white anymore.

Unfortunate that Our Lord didn't know that one day there would be no definite right and wrong anymore, isn't it? :wink:

Geremia · « **Reply #29 on:** November 21, 2016, 01:47:54 PM »

Quote from: Alexandria

One of the new cardinals commented and said something to the effect that nothing is black and white anymore.

That's the philosophical root of Modernism which Pope St. Pius X mentions in Pascendi: agnosticism (that we cannot know anything with certainty).