Author Topic: Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction" (Read 12853 times)

happenby · « **Reply #110 on:** February 01, 2017, 11:05:58 AM »

Quote from: Clemens Maria

This presents a possible big problem for the R&R folks. If this ends up being just another Archbishop Lefebvre moment, then it will resolve nothing. We will continue on in the same crisis that we have been in since 1963. But if the 4 Conciliar cardinals take it a step further and actually declare Francis to have lost his office, how will the R&R handle it? How could the R&R justify such an act if they have spent the last 40 years developing arguments for how such a thing could never be done? It would be a great irony if the 4 cardinals and their myriad NO followers broke from the Conciliar church just as the SSPX was entering it. I'm not sure how this will play out but regardless of the outcome it will be interesting to see how it is handled by the various players involved.

The ideal situation from my perspective would be for the 4 cardinals to not only declare the Roman See vacant but to also seek valid orders from a traditional bishop. If that happens, this could be the definitive resolution to the crisis. It could have the potential to unite many sede vacantists with many R&R and conservative Catholics around a truly Catholic pope. That could be a miraculous outcome.

They won't declare the See vacant. It isn't in their powers. Even if it was, I can't see this group doing it. Still, this could to lead to a schism with more formality of questioning, or even an accusation of heresy. A pronouncement of heresy brings new problems because plenty of Catholics will insist it's null and void. The process in light of the bishop's own fear could easily drag out beyond Francis' last breath but the divisions if he doesn't die will be even more serious. People will be forced to decide whether they will 'apostasize' and back the bishops, or go with Francis, or worse, another candidate entirely, which will split the Church in three. And then there's Benedict. With the press coverage likely insisting that the bishops are in apostasy, the bulk of the people will go with Francis, and punishments for not staying loyal to the Pope could ensue in the name of maintaining some kind of unity. This may even lead to war and/or the feared martyrdom of good Catholics trying to hold their Faith. Guaranteed it will light up the media and Internet with even more spin.

poche · « **Reply #111 on:** February 01, 2017, 11:18:51 PM »

Catholic Cardinal Gerhard Muller, who heads the Vatican's office for the Doctrine of the Faith, said divorced and remarried couples must live in continence, as brother and sister, if they want to receive Communion at Mass and this teaching cannot change -- not by a Pope, an angel, a council of bishops, "no power on Heaven or on Earth."

Cardinal Muller explained this point in an interview with the Italian magazine Il Timone, portions of which were translated into English in the newspaper L'Espresso and re-published in the Catholic Herald. The topic is controversial now because of Pope Francis's letter Amoris Laetitia, which not a few bishops have proclaimed permits the divorced/remarried, who are living as man and wife, to receive Communion, although they are objectively in a state of adultery, a grievous sin.

In the interview, Cardinal Muller is asked, "The exhortation of Saint John Paul II, Familiaris Consortio, stipulates that divorced and remarried couples that cannot separate, in order to receive the sacraments must commit to live in continence. Is this requirement still valid?"

http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/vaticans-muller-no-communion-divorcedremarried-not-evan-pope-can-change

Geremia · « **Reply #112 on:** February 20, 2017, 10:50:49 AM »

At about 15:45, he says: "What are we being loyal to [by pledging allegiance to Francis]?" Despite being clueless that Francis himself is promoting all this confusion, he realizes that Francis's refusal to stop the spread of heresy is not compatible with the office of the papacy.
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Incredulous · « **Reply #113 on:** February 20, 2017, 12:48:42 PM »

Quote from: Geremia

At about 15:45, he says: "What are we being loyal to [by pledging allegiance to Francis]?" Despite being clueless that Francis himself is promoting all this confusion, he realizes that Francis's refusal to stop the spread of heresy is not compatible with the office of the papacy.

Even the modernist faithful are seeing through the Destroyer pope's rabbinic logic.

At the risk of losing credibility and audience ratings, the producers of this Francis "looney tunes" show, may realize it's time for a commercial break",