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Card. Burke Interview with Assoc. of Hebrew Catholics
« on: October 18, 2014, 03:04:57 AM »
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    I was given the impression that Card. Burke was a more Traditional Catholic than he is Novus Ordo.  
    I was surprised to find a website called the Association of Hebrew Catholics, and they were publicizing this interview that they had with him.

    I thought I would share it with you, but I personally am confused with what he is saying.  
    Can someone explain what they mean when they say "election" when they are referring to the Jews?  
    Also, can someone help clarify, is he saying that Hebrew Catholics can continue with certain Jewish traditions they have and not violate or go against Catholic teaching as long as they do it in the light of Christ?
    Is that Traditionally what the Church has taught or is this all part of Nostra Aetate and Lumen Gentium from Vatican II?

    Part 1 of 5

    The first question concerns the continuing "election" of Jewish people who are baptized and enter the Catholic Church.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/pyDVPjl8wUY[/youtube]

    Part 2 of 5

    The second question concerns the collective nature of the election of the People Israel within the Catholic Church.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/6qONrMG-Qf8[/youtube]

    Part 3 of 5

    The third question concerns the legitimacy of celebrating various traditions of our Jewish heritage, in the light of Christ, within the Church.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/Jkz82jwQpdQ[/youtube]

    Part 4 of 5

    The fourth question concerns the way in which we are to approach, interpret, and understand the historical documents of Sacred Tradition. Statements by Pope Eugenio and Pope Benedict XIV are contrasted. Another aspect of this question concerns the way in which we interpret the relation between the "shadow" in the Old Covenant and the "reality" in the New Covenant.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/iZqq1RZbxEY[/youtube]

    Part 5 of 5

    The fifth question concerns the life of Hebrew Catholics in the Church today and Archbishop Burke's counsel.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/Wd774ltp2bs[/youtube]

    Offline Stubborn

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    Card. Burke Interview with Assoc. of Hebrew Catholics
    « Reply #1 on: October 18, 2014, 04:59:54 AM »
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  • Cardinal Burke is no traditional Catholic, he's a "conservative" NOer who will be banished into some forgotten province if he doesn't go along with the program.

    I say that it is licit to resist the Roman Pontiff by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." St. Robert Bellarmine


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    « Reply #2 on: October 18, 2014, 05:43:52 AM »
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  • "Priesthood Ordination: June 29, 1975, St. Peter’s Basilica, Vatican City, by Pope Paul VI."

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    « Reply #3 on: October 18, 2014, 06:26:32 AM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    By "election" he means the Jews are predestined for Heaven as God's "elect." He uses the word in the Protestant sense and in the present tense.  IOW, he violates the law of noncontradiction by stating that the Old Covenant co-exists with the New.  If so, the only logical conclusion is that Christ is both King and not King.  Cardinal Burke is no traditionalist, rather, a modernist through and through.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #4 on: October 18, 2014, 07:06:37 AM »
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  • Quote from: holysoulsacademy
    I was given the impression that Card. Burke was a more Traditional Catholic than he is Novus Ordo.  


    Burke is traditional in that, like Ratzinger, he likes the pomp and ceremony of tradition.  When it comes to doctrine, that is, the Faith, he's simply a Modernist.  

    As for the use of the term, "election", I think Frances is probably about right.  The trouble is that, being a Modernist, words mean only what he intends them to mean at the moment he utters them.  It may mean something else completely the next time he speaks and he may deny ever intending another meaning.  Burke is the house built on sand and nothing he says can be truly understood to have a rock-solid and stable definition.


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    « Reply #5 on: October 18, 2014, 07:35:43 AM »
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    Quote from: holysoulsacademy
    I was given the impression that Card. Burke was a more Traditional Catholic than he is Novus Ordo.  


    Burke is traditional in that, like Ratzinger, he likes the pomp and ceremony of tradition.  When it comes to doctrine, that is, the Faith, he's simply a Modernist.  

    As for the use of the term, "election", I think Frances is probably about right.  The trouble is that, being a Modernist, words mean only what he intends them to mean at the moment he utters them.  It may mean something else completely the next time he speaks and he may deny ever intending another meaning.  Burke is the house built on sand and nothing he says can be truly understood to have a rock-solid and stable definition.


    Which is why his (through Voris) statements about Francis sounds great, but then reality sets in that he really is just another Modernist/Neo-Con.  

    False ecumenism taught via Vatican II is a.o.k., but not communion for divorced and remarried and homosexuality.  It's ok to ignore the First Commandment, but not the 6th and 9th.
    If any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema. - Council of Trent

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    Card. Burke Interview with Assoc. of Hebrew Catholics
    « Reply #6 on: October 18, 2014, 09:46:53 AM »
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  • It's so weird though: it still tugged at the old heartstrings to hear Burke's "demoted" words this morning as I woke up. I feel like he's had to have known all along things that would make us cringe in horror, and yet his "fans" are so ...well, look at Twitter. They're mad. And something about an American Church [sic] and all this fury.

    And yet I still want to reach out to these very angry people who have the name 'Roman Catholic' with an anonymous, "St. Paul, 2 Thess 2!"

    Or even (really throwing some pearls before ...these people) quoting what Our Lord says in Matt 19: "you, who have followed me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit on the seat of his majesty, you also shall sit on twelve seats judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

    But I'd be hammered as a son of perdition myself; my account closed for "hate speech", and probably NSA-chased-down-and-arrested for that "crime".  :facepalm:

    Because the Burke loves his flock, who killed Our Lord, and not to pile on, but I sort of fear Burke (like the rest of the Wormword "Clergy" in Bergoglio's ...hangout) most certainly stretched to the breaking point Our Lord's meaning when He said, "Suffer children to come to me, and forbid them not."

    To lurking Burke fans: +Jesus didn't mean to NOT forbid SEX WITH CHILDREN.

    So I'll continue on with my mouth shut as the "RCCs" continue to support the new "faith", which I'm just calling "Wormwood" now since it's shorter than "Vatican II".

    Man, One Lung don't play though, that's for sure.

    Maybe you've got to speak meme to get through to them? Is this "in your face" enough:



    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

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    Card. Burke Interview with Assoc. of Hebrew Catholics
    « Reply #7 on: October 19, 2014, 06:44:22 PM »
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  •  ohh wow nice someone else found the video. This is not the only one that there is on this topic.

    This is the video that helped me research further, this confirms that this man is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He certainly is no friend of Catholic dogma/doctrine, to him its about something else.

    When it comes to the Catholic Church, its either you accept the whole thing or nothing. That simple.

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