Author Topic: Cantate Domino (Read 5051 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #45 on:** June 20, 2014, 03:33:51 PM »

Quote from: Lover of Truth

Alphosus was a heretic if he taught de fide that which is the opposite of a dogma of the Church.

Nonsense. He was just wrong. You evidently don't understand what the term heresy means even though you toss it out there quite liberally against those who don't believe in BoD.

Michael93 · « **Reply #46 on:** June 20, 2014, 03:35:28 PM »

St. Gregory did not reject BOD:

http://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/brother-peter-dimond-st-gregory-nαzιanzen-and-baptism-of-desire/

Ladislaus · « **Reply #47 on:** June 20, 2014, 03:44:19 PM »

Quote from: Michael93

St. Gregory did not reject BOD:

http://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/brother-peter-dimond-st-gregory-nαzιanzen-and-baptism-of-desire/

That article is the stupidest thing I've ever read, from a desperate BoDer.

When St. Gregory used the term desire for Baptism he was REALLY referring to the kind of desire that was unaccompanied by contrition.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #48 on:** June 20, 2014, 03:45:33 PM »

St. Robert Bellarmine admitted in his own treatment of Baptism that the Church Fathers were divided on Baptism of Desire.

Were those Church Fathers who rejected it wrong?

Michael93 · « **Reply #49 on:** June 20, 2014, 03:52:02 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Michael93
St. Gregory did not reject BOD:

http://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/brother-peter-dimond-st-gregory-nαzιanzen-and-baptism-of-desire/

That article is the stupidest thing I've ever read, from a desperate BoDer.

When St. Gregory used the term desire for Baptism he was REALLY referring to the kind of desire that was unaccompanied by contrition.

Well, that makes sense, since the simple desire for baptism by itself is not the baptism of desire.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #50 on:** June 20, 2014, 03:55:40 PM »

Quote from: St. John Chrysostom

for if it shall come to pass (which God forbid!) that through the sudden arrival of death we depart hence uninitiated, though we have ten thousand virtues, our portion will be none other than hell, and the venomous worm, and fire unquenchable, and bonds indissoluble

Quote from: St. John Chrysostom

Wee for the unbelievers; weep for those who differ in nowise from them, those who depart hence without the illumination, without the seal!

"Seal = sacramental character"

Was St. John Chrysostom wrong?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #51 on:** June 20, 2014, 03:56:46 PM »

Quote from: Michael93

Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: Michael93
St. Gregory did not reject BOD:

http://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/brother-peter-dimond-st-gregory-nαzιanzen-and-baptism-of-desire/

That article is the stupidest thing I've ever read, from a desperate BoDer.

When St. Gregory used the term desire for Baptism he was REALLY referring to the kind of desire that was unaccompanied by contrition.

Well, that makes sense, since the simple desire for baptism by itself is not the baptism of desire.

Except that's no what St. Gregory was referring to.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #52 on:** June 23, 2014, 07:30:14 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

OK, BoDers, if you truly admit the existence of the evidence contrary to BoD, what do you say of the 7-8 Church Fathers who explicitly rejected Baptism of Desire?

Were they wrong?

Has Ladislaus given the quotes of the 7-8 Church Fathers who "explicitly" "rejected" Baptism of Desire and their sources? Or is he having another one of his problems with numbers. One, two, seven, eight, it's all the same. And he mocks me of knowing these quotes and pretending I don't and he cannot even produce them.

Are you done Ladislaus, have you mustered up all you can muster?

bowler · « **Reply #53 on:** June 23, 2014, 11:02:56 AM »

Translation of all BODer started threads (in the raw!):

(A) People who believe John 3:5 as it is written, are heretics.

Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (John 3:5)

People who believe EENS as it is written in ALL the dogmatic decrees are heretics.

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Cantate Domino, 1441, ex cathedra:

The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church , not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church's sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.

(B)The people who believe that persons can be saved despite not having an explicit desire to be baptized, nor explicit desire to be a Catholic, nor knowledge of the Trinity and Incarnation, those who they say are saved by their invincible ignorance and "implicit faith" in a God that rewards, those people are of orthodox Catholic belief.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #54 on:** June 23, 2014, 11:17:35 AM »

No offense at all to bowler or stubborn but I am interested in posts on this subject by others. Preferably Catholics, but anyone sincerely open to truth.

bowler · « **Reply #55 on:** June 23, 2014, 01:25:29 PM »

Quote from: Lover of Truth

No offense at all to bowler or stubborn but I am interested in posts on this subject by others. Preferably Catholics, but anyone sincerely open to truth.

What I wrote is undeniable what you and all BODers believe. You seek teachers according to your own desires. IT is the reason why you all keep creating threads vomiting forth the same hypocritical comments. You believe that people can be saved who have no explicit faith in Christ or the Trinity, and when you are exposed to the light, you run for cover. You are all cowards who do not have the conviction to say what you really believe. The day I see one of you Boders CONDEMN the teaching that people can be saved who have no explicit belief in Christ, then I'll believe you. Instead you condemn as heretics and post ad-nauseum against those people who believe John 3:5 and all the dogmas on EENS and baptism as they are written.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #56 on:** June 23, 2014, 02:15:26 PM »

No offense at all intended.

Please feel free to carry minus the error and heresy if possible.

:cheers:

Cantarella · « **Reply #57 on:** June 25, 2014, 09:46:39 PM »

Welcome to Cathinfo, Amen!

Cantarella · « **Reply #58 on:** June 25, 2014, 09:48:13 PM »

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Our salvation, therefore, is Jesus Christ, the Incarnate God, who took His flesh from the Blessed Virigin Mary. The Church prevents us from falsely emphasizing the spiritual and invisible, as divorced from the sensible and visible, by keeping constantly before us in infinite repetition the prayer which ushered in the Incarnation, “the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. “ The Son of God did not will our salvation to be achieved apart from His Humanity and, consequently, apart from His visibility.