Author Topic: Canonisation of JPII and JXXIII and Loss of the Faith (Read 1462 times)

TheKnightVigilant · « **on:** January 28, 2014, 12:41:39 PM »

I've seen dozens of trad Catholics say that they will leave the Catholic Church if JPII and JXXIII are canonised. A worrying sign to say the least.

Is this what refusing to accept sedevacantism will inevitably result in?

Petertherock · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2014, 01:30:45 PM »

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I've seen dozens of trad Catholics say that they will leave the Catholic Church if JPII and JXXIII are canonised. A worrying sign to say the least.

Is this what refusing to accept sedevacantism will inevitably result in?

To those who say that...my answer to them is "To whom shall we go?"

soulguard · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2014, 01:34:03 PM »

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To those who say that...my answer to them is "To whom shall we go?"

"each other?" "Mary?" :baby:

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2014, 01:34:51 PM »

Domine salva nos

TheKnightVigilant · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2014, 05:29:00 PM »

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Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
I've seen dozens of trad Catholics say that they will leave the Catholic Church if JPII and JXXIII are canonised. A worrying sign to say the least.

Is this what refusing to accept sedevacantism will inevitably result in?

To those who say that...my answer to them is "To whom shall we go?"

My impression is that the people who say such things are usually simply looking for an excuse to become typical worldlings.

2Vermont · « **Reply #5 on:** January 28, 2014, 05:32:25 PM »

I don't understand that thinking. Do they explain why and what they will do? Where did they attend church/mass prior?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2014, 05:40:17 PM »

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While I admit that those do exist, looking for an excuse to become typical worldlings, I don't believe that's the big picture.

The so-called canonization of JPII and JXXIII is the biggest scandal in the history of the Church. It's bigger than the pederasty scandal, and that's saying a lot.

But this is doctrinal, and it rubs the face of Holy Mother Church in refuse.

It's unimaginable to me that it can go by inconsequentially. There will be repercussions, because God will not be mocked.

I know a Franciscan priest who predicted the election of +Ratzinger to pope, and he now says that Pope Francis will fulfill the "bishop in white" prophesy of the secret of Fatima.

I told him to be careful not to post that on the Internet because he'll be getting visits from the goon squad if it turns out he's right.

There will be a lot of new sedevacantists, he said. I agree with him.

A lot of trads will just stay home and pray their Rosary, too.

Our Lady said the time will come when all we'll have left is the Scapular and the Rosary. I used to wonder how that could ever happen.

I'm not wondering anymore.

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Ambrose · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2014, 05:52:40 PM »

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I've seen dozens of trad Catholics say that they will leave the Catholic Church if JPII and JXXIII are canonised. A worrying sign to say the least.

Is this what refusing to accept sedevacantism will inevitably result in?

If some are saying they will leave the Church, then they rave already lost the Faith. There is never a reason to leave the Church, but there are always reasons to modify one's own position on the crisis to explain events logically and consistently.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #8 on:** January 28, 2014, 08:14:01 PM »

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I've seen dozens of trad Catholics say that they will leave the Catholic Church if JPII and JXXIII are canonised. A worrying sign to say the least.

Is this what refusing to accept sedevacantism will inevitably result in?

If some are saying they will leave the Church, then they rave already lost the Faith. There is never a reason to leave the Church, but there are always reasons to modify one's own position on the crisis to explain events logically and consistently.

Which church would they be leaving? The conciliar or the Catholic?

The conciliar church is following the path of Paul VI and his treachery.

The Catholic Church is following Our Lord and His Blessed Mother.

A choice is before us all.

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #9 on:** January 28, 2014, 08:42:09 PM »

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The Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ, According to St. Matthew
24:44 Wherefore be you also ready, because at what hour you know not the Son of man will come.
24:45 Who, thinkest thou, is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath appointed over his family, to give them meat in season.
24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom when his lord shall come he shall find so doing.
24:47 Amen I say to you, he shall place him over all his goods.
24:48 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart: My lord is long a coming:
24:49 And shall begin to strike his fellow servants, and shall eat and drink with drunkards:
24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day that he hopeth not, and at an hour that he knoweth not:
24:51 And shall separate him, and appoint his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

TheKnightVigilant · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2014, 03:08:48 AM »

One example of several Catholics claiming they will lose the faith after these canonisations:

http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=5387.0

ggreg · « **Reply #11 on:** January 29, 2014, 03:12:58 AM »

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I've seen dozens of trad Catholics say that they will leave the Catholic Church if JPII and JXXIII are canonised. A worrying sign to say the least.

Is this what refusing to accept sedevacantism will inevitably result in?

To those who say that...my answer to them is "To whom shall we go?"

My impression is that the people who say such things are usually simply looking for an excuse to become typical worldlings.

I don't think there were any ever shortage of excuses. 90 percent of Catholics including many members of your own families don't seem to have any difficulty finding excuses over the past 60 years. So why would they have waited this long and be using an excuse such as the canonisation of a heretic?

Which is pretty troubling to any rational mind, whoever you are.

TheKnightVigilant · « **Reply #12 on:** January 29, 2014, 03:18:41 AM »

Maybe they liked the smells and bells just enough for them to stay this long? You tell me.

ggreg · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2014, 03:21:02 AM »

The smells and bells are not changing. It makes sod all difference to their weekly routine if Saint John Paul II and St. John XXIII are canonised.

If they liked the smells and bells, then why not stick around?

TheKnightVigilant · « **Reply #14 on:** January 29, 2014, 03:29:37 AM »

Because they find it harder to justify their faith to themselves and other people. They don't have true faith, because true faith would mean accepting the logical conclusion which must follow from these upcoming canonisations, i.e. sedevacantism, rather than abandoning the faith completely.

The following post from Suscipe Domine illustrates the way these people think rather well, I believe. To keep the faith in times of hardship is "slavish" and "cultish", they say. It is only worth keeping when it is convenient, when it is easy.

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By your "never say die" attitude you could have a paedophile made into a saint and you would slavishly have to believe they were in Heaven. Even a paedophile who once raped your kids. As long as the cult "declares and defines" St. Pederast to be in Heaven, you would have to believe it or "be a quitter, unlike Job who would never give up".

http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=5387.30