Author Topic: Canon 2261 CMRI Assisi SSPX (Read 3995 times)

trad123 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 27, 2011, 05:03:53 PM »

Quote from: Stephen Francis

The Sacraments can be received from priests or bishops of SCHISMATIC groups WHICH HAVE VALID APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION, but only in cases of extreme emergency and upon imminent death. There is NO other valid reason for receiving anything at all from schismatics and no other circuмstance which would warrant even considering the possibility of same.

Does anyone know if it only applies to confession? and since jurisdiction is necessary for the validity of that sacrament I'm assuming Church supplies it to the confessor in such instances.

romantheology · « **Reply #6 on:** October 27, 2011, 06:28:43 PM »

Quote from: Stephen Francis

The Sacraments can be received from priests or bishops of SCHISMATIC groups WHICH HAVE VALID APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION, but only in cases of extreme emergency and upon imminent death. There is NO other valid reason for receiving anything at all from schismatics and no other circuмstance which would warrant even considering the possibility of same.

Oddly, if you Believe Pope Benedict XVI (ordained priest June 29th 1951) is a Schismatic, well, you could even receive communion from him in such a case then?

He has valid orders.

So much for Fr. Cekada's Una cuм theory....well?

TKGS · « **Reply #7 on:** October 27, 2011, 07:38:55 PM »

Quote from: romantheology

Quote from: Stephen Francis
The Sacraments can be received from priests or bishops of SCHISMATIC groups WHICH HAVE VALID APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION, but only in cases of extreme emergency and upon imminent death. There is NO other valid reason for receiving anything at all from schismatics and no other circuмstance which would warrant even considering the possibility of same.

Oddly, if you Believe Pope Benedict XVI (ordained priest June 29th 1951) is a Schismatic, well, you could even receive communion from him in such a case then?

He has valid orders.

So much for Fr. Cekada's Una cuм theory....well?

Clearly, Benedict 16 was validly ordained a priest. I've never heard any sedevacantist dispute this. Therefore, in danger of death, he could validly give absolution provided he has the intention to absolve sins.

In regards to Holy Communion, however, he has already denied the Real Presence in one of his books (I don't remember which one, but it has been quoted on this forum within the last few weeks), so I don't see how he could have the intention of doing as the Church does regardless of what rite he used.

TraceG · « **Reply #8 on:** October 29, 2011, 11:05:53 AM »

I'm pretty much a hardliner and I don't doubt his actual priestly ordination, but his so called episcopal consecration as a bishop as I understand was done with the novus ordo "rites". In other wards invalid. Hence the consecrations he's done are invalid, and he could not be the Bishop of Rome. Just my position.

Emerentiana · « **Reply #9 on:** October 29, 2011, 12:09:46 PM »

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Oddly, if you Believe Pope Benedict XVI (ordained priest June 29th 1951) is a Schismatic, well, you could even receive communion from him in such a case then?

He has valid orders.

Roman, Benedict is a valid priest, but NOT a Valid Bishop. He was consecrated with the invalid rite of consecration of 1968, as are the majority of the Vatican 11 bishops.