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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Can you force baptism on someone?
« on: December 31, 2024, 12:13:35 AM »
If a man doesn't want baptism and I pour water on him and say "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" are they baptised?

If a man walking down the street doesn't even know baptism and I pour water on him and say "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" are they baptised?


Also for the two cases above, are they justified?
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Can you force baptism on someone?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2024, 05:05:54 AM »
I would say because Trent stresses the importance of the recipient actually desiring it, I would say the answer is yes. The baptism is valid but sacrilegious. It would do the recipient no good if he were to die before converting to the Catholic faith.

Trent's Catechism:

The faithful are also to be instructed in the necessary dispositions for Baptism. In the first place they must desire
and intend to receive it; for as in Baptism we all die to sin and resolve to live a new life, it is fit that it be
administered to those only who receive it of their own free will and accord; it is to be forced upon none. Hence we learn from holy tradition that it has been the invariable practice to administer Baptism to no individual
without previously asking him if he be willing to receive it. This disposition even infants are presumed to have, since the will of the Church, which promises for them, cannot be mistaken."
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Offline Angelus

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Re: Can you force baptism on someone?
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2024, 08:37:12 AM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on December 31, 2024, 12:13:35 AM
If a man doesn't want baptism and I pour water on him and say "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" are they baptised?

If a man walking down the street doesn't even know baptism and I pour water on him and say "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" are they baptised?


Also for the two cases above, are they justified?

https://aquinas.cc/la/en/~ST.III.Q68.A7

Reply Obj. 2: If an adult lack the intention of receiving the sacrament, he must be rebaptized. But if there be doubt about this, the form to be used should be: If thou art not baptized, I baptize thee.
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Offline Yeti

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Re: Can you force baptism on someone?
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2024, 10:45:54 AM »
No, someone who has the use of reason must consent to receive a sacrament and intend to receive it in order for it to be valid.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Can you force baptism on someone?
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2024, 11:36:15 AM »
Quote from: Yeti on December 31, 2024, 10:45:54 AM
No, someone who has the use of reason must consent to receive a sacrament and intend to receive it in order for it to be valid.
Yes this. I had headupass syndrome going on with my answer. 
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