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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Choose God
« on: July 23, 2020, 06:51:55 AM »
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    Offline Struthio

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    Re: Choose God
    « Reply #1 on: July 23, 2020, 02:22:04 PM »
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    The Donatist Bishop Petilianus of Constantine in Africa asserted, in the letter he wrote in 400 and 410, that Marcellinus and the Roman priests Melchiades, Marcellus, and Sylvester (his three successors) had given up the sacred books, and had offered incense. But he could not adduce any proof. In the Acts of confiscation of the church buildings at Rome, which at the great Carthaginian conference between Catholics and Donatists, were brought forward by the latter, only two Roman deacons, Straton and Cassius, were named as traitors. St. Augustine, in his replies to Petilianus, disputes the truth of the latter's report (Against Petilian 2.202: "De quibus et nos solum respondemus: aut non probatis et ad neminem pertinet, aut probatis et ad nos non pertinet"; "De unico baptismo contra Petilianum", cap. xvi: "Ipse scelestos et sacrilegos fuisse dicit; ego innocentes fuisse respondeo"). One can only conclude from Petilianus's accusation that such rumours against Marcellinus and Roman priests were circulated in Africa; but that they could not be proved, otherwise St. Augustine would not have been able to assert the innocence of the accused so decidedly, or safely to have referred to the matter at the Carthaginian conference. But even in Rome similar stories were told of Marcellinus in certain circles, so that in two later legendary reports a formal apostasy was attributed to this pope, of course followed by repentance and penance.

    https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09637d.htm


    Viva Christo Rey, what is the source of that image?

    Which Pope Sylvester? The one mentioned above?
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    Re: Choose God
    « Reply #2 on: July 23, 2020, 03:01:58 PM »
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    • Here's one "very unpapist" "Orthodox" author with the same text:

    Quote from: V. Ross
    The plan for union with Byzantium was foiled; but Byzantine influence continued to increase.46 Moreover, it spread outwards from the court into the episcopate. Thus Gerbert of Aurillac, who became the first French pope in 999, took the name Sylvester II, reviving memories, in those brought up on the forged Donation, of the symphonic relationship between St. Constantine and Pope Sylvester I.47  
    The new Pope, breaking sharply with recent tradition, emphasised that while the Renovatio embraced Empire and Church, it had to be led by the Emperor.48 Again, it was Sylvester who, in 1001, inspired Otto to issue an act demonstrating that the Donation of Constantine was a forgery.49 Another striking characteristic of this very unpapist Pope was his declaration that there could be no question of the Pope being above the judgment of his fellow-bishops. Thus he wrote in 997: "The judgment of God is higher than that of Rome... When Pope Marcellinus offered incense to Jupiter [in 303], did all the other bishops have to do likewise? If the bishop of Rome himself sins against his brother or refuses to heed the repeated warnings of the Church, he, the bishop of Rome himself, must according to the commandments of God be treated as a pagan and a publican; for the greater the dignity, the greater the fall. If he declares us unworthy of his communion because none of us will join him against the Gospel, he will not be able to separate us from the communion of Christ."50

    50. Pope Sylvester, Letter 192, quoted in Fr. Andrew Phllips, "The Three Temptations of Christ and the Mystical Sense of  English History", Orthodox England, vol.. I, number 2, December, 1997, p. 6.
    http://www.oodegr.com/english/istorika/britain/Fall_of_Orthodox_England.htm

    The letters of Pope Sylvester II can be found there:

    docuŠ¼entacatholicaomnia.eu, Sylvester II, letters

    Letter 192 is on column 255, is very short, and doesn't even mention Pope Marcellinus. (see attachment)
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